Pretentious reply answered with pretentious reply

Because these comments are the sort who get deleted right after being posted--due to being hilarious.

Here is two comments from the comments on The Most Transphobic You Will Read This Week. Which I obviously have been working to hold that position for years now.

Catalina Payne ·

Stefanie Daniella

1) being a Transgendered Lesbian with an IQ above the range of what is usually possible to human capabilities, I have learned to understand what is past most people's ability to not have their eyes blur over and just start nodding.

Pretension

Everything you have said is NOT simple English. It is the exact opposite. It is the exact sort of stuff I'd say only if I wanted to come off as a complete, excuse my proper use of simple English here, a "cvnt".

In fact, I doubt you'd recognise simple English, if it wore an Irish football jersey and you agreed to call him "Dad".

2) There is a reason the original bibles were written in Greek (known as a "real language" and hebrew a language that sounds only like "bar bar bar"). Also, considering the Bible was written around 120AD... before that it was merely memetic in its telling for about seven to eight generations of story telling.

Have you ever played the game "grape vine" or "telephone"... EVERYTHING written down in the New Testament is this. Telling yourself otherwise is just silly.

3) Considering Christianity only gained a foot hold, after the traitor Ceasar Constatine saw a comet show, and put a cross onto his shield, and won a battle, then proceeded to kill anybody who questioned his judgement in how he followed the deity... gonna say the Catholic Church had a very rocky start. Especially in that they killed anybody who disagreed on how they followed Yahweh.

This is a bad start... as anything before this is just spinning tires. Having your brakes on can make your time machine make a cool noise... but it does nothing to promote movement.

4) When you either resort to large words to exercise your tongue in hopes it might make another woman think it might do good for diving (it at least would get you to shut up). Your only other option seems to be to insult people... who just do not seem to get you.

You now have somebody, who when tested on what the limits of her intelligence was, all tests came back inconclusive, as the limits did not seem in the intelligent limits of humans, who is telling you, "you sound like an idiot". Those big words confuse me, as largely, they are meaningless, and based on racist research. There only purpose is to make you feel superior, without giving you any call to have earned that feeling. That is the only reason the words you use exist. There is no further meaning behind them.

5) One, I am offended that anybody would use "positive" in any kind of good context. I for one, do not want to be positive of any sense in this rainbow alphabet soup.

I do want to be helpful, and willing to move with the best foot forward. Which tends to put me at odds with members of the community who love to believe "any ol' foot will do, we are the victims here, right?". Especially when my main goal is to try to tell members, "hey, watch where you step?! Just cause bad stuff happened to us, does not make it so we are automatically the good guys here. We may be the tomato in the mirror."

So, yes--I do come across as an enemy of the Rainbow Alphabet Soup communities. Yes, I am what the literal version of a "lesbian in a man's body" is actually a picture off... those douche bags in the bar, you are to ask them when they will be chopping off their bits. No, really--I hate those guys SO MUCH.

There is plenty of good reasons I do not automatically eat up everything the rainbow alphabet soup does because IT IS GAY! IT MUST BE GOOD!

A) Pride Parades made teasing get worse for me as a child. I find it hard to believe how anybody figured parading the worst stereotypes in a single place to celebrate it would STOP teasing. No, it just gave the kids ammo... lots and lots of brightly coloured tights wearing ammo with butterfly wings attached in tightie whities.

B) I came out as transgendered... I got raped by trannies. It was my fault an entire city's transgendered community tore apart: because I did not know what roofies were. Wonderful thing to have on your conscious and try to tell yourself, "this community cannot possibly be silly or wrong."

C) I do not understand how the Vagina Monologues or painting large amounts of pictures of my genitals... or the genitals of anybody else is actually helping. Hell, if there were Penis Monologues, I'd consider them just as retarded... as would anybody with an IQ point average above 50... hell even former President Bush would understand this as not a good idea... and be right.

D) Men are not the cause of the world's problems. Douche Baggery extends all race, creeds, nationalities and ideas of thought. I do love how effective you make this point to all those present, Stefanie. I do not dislike you because you are a lesbian or Catholic. I dislike you because you are honestly, a detestable person. I am fairly certain that there are awesome members of your goals. You are not one of them. Thus I do not respond in a helpful manner when I converse with you.

E) there are many cases and items in the Rainbow Alphabet Soup that are quite honestly horrible ideas. There needs to be people to point out, "you know... this MIGHT be a bad idea"... even if it gets us labeled as transphobic or homophobic. I'd rather be considered intelligent, than an enabler to stupidity.

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In short, you are the sort of feel good twat, who is more interested in how her ovaries feel by moving your tongue back and forth, imagining the feeling you got the first time you had sex that was not in the missionary position for procreation while Jesus watched (to make sure it was done right)... than actually being effective and helping the community. Any element that allows your tongue to waggle, is an excuse for you to claim being helpful.

When it comes down to actually helping the community, I will be ready. In fact, talking with you, has given me a strange urge to wield a spanner. And to learn enough mechanics to obtain a position as a motorcycle mechanic for an alibi... suddenly, this stereotype makes sense. People who think that maybe, if you just make the target get you to shut up and put your lips to a good place, do seem quite present in the Rainbow Alphabet Soup community.. that these other stereotypes are starting to make sense to me now.

Either way: please, please... stop waggling that tongue... nobody wants you to go down on them... they might just tell you to, to get you to shut the fvck up, you stupid vapid tart.

I would ask you grow a brain... but I am not certain stupid could be cured here. Is there a Dr. House nearby? It might be actually be Lupis!

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Catalina Payne

Stefanie Daniella never before has a woman gave me an urge to lumberjack, quite like you have. This is NOT a good thing.

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Now, I would give what I was replying too a chance to be posted here. However, most of my readers are already well beyond their daily recommended of pretentious bitchy ranting by a girl who does not seem to know what "a reality is"... I tried to pace myself for your balanced died. Either way, her posts could be randomly generated. They are mostly standard ones of:

1. No clue what a "paragraph" is... or how it would be used to help convey concepts
2. Excessive uses of ellipses "...". I Know it makes me look all like an 8x10 Tool shed. I do not imagine anybody else thinks it makes them look smart.
3. Those ellipses are three periods and not the proper ellipse symbol as part of ISO standard ASCII, Microsoft ASCII and UTF-8. No idea if it exists in EBCDIC or 7bit Microsoft ASCII (or was 7bit ASCII an ISO standard?)
4. Uses big words that are directly ripped from Third Reich research on how to not have homosexuality show up in Hitler Youth. Yes, before we even had a proper grasp of how Genetics worked, there were attempts to remove the gay gene... this vapid twat is describing herself using terminology from a poor attempt to do Galactica/Galaga/whatever. One we have since learned had nothing correct in how it was done. We now know much better ways to make a master race... this contained no working method to do that.
5. She feels like these words from bad attempts at Galaga (so bad, I think NOT looking up that movie works better for my points) actually convey to people what she is trying to say.
6. She will state that if you do not understand these terms, you are transphobic and homophobic. Never mind, they were created by poor attempts to make a pink triangle never show up (in that these terms apply to stuff that did not even WORK). If you are going to use words based on stuff used to breed out a certain trait... at least base it on stuff that actually functions. Is that too much to ask?
7. She has issues understanding how a language that exists on the British Isles starting around 900CE, might not be what the Bible was written in. That terms like "Heaven", "Hell" and "Saint" (all English words) existed for when the Bible was written. Yes, there are equivalents... but I honestly doubt she has a proper translation of the Bible either (if Jesus walks on Water... you are using the King James shiznit).
8. If I do not agree with her, because she uses big words she does not appear to fully understand... I am apparently transphobic and homophobic.
9. Insists on trying to have every letter in the Rainbow Alphabet Soup in her description of the Rainbow Alphabet Soup community. She cannot be that intelligent.
10. Has issues understanding some basic concepts and ideas in how the history of English literature came about.
11. I would learn Greek to try to counter her--but I prefer to talk like everything I say sounds like "bar bar bar". Which includes stuff that is useful in day to day life, such as German, Spanish, Russian, Mandarin and Sanskrit. I would learn a language designed around the basis of circle jerking and how nobody is as good as the people behind that language... but that spot is already filled by Mandarin... sorry Greek... maybe give me another reason to learn you.

NO! NO! NOT MORE CONFORMITY CRAP AS SUCH!

GAH! Okay--it is VERY rarely that a news story gets me pissed off enough that I am going to use my one tool to STOP PEOPLE BEING WRONG ON THE INTERNETS.

Because if it is one thing we cannot have, it is wrong people on the interwebs.

So, I am just going to unload this onto the the truck of the internet... well no wait--my colleague just said it is closer to a series of tubes.

Anyways--who is wrong today... why none other than the people all in awe of Transsexual Rappers. You know, the Sissy Bouncers.

New York Times Pretends to Cover Sissy Bouncers

Okay, first off: I do not care if you are a Xtain Nazi Midget Newt who is doing the rap. Or if you are gay, trans or what not.

If I enjoy your music, I am (generally) open enough to understand that you might have different views of the world in contrast to mine. Besides, if you are wrong, I do have a blog, which is of course the correct tool to correct wrong people on the Internets. Which is okay. It rarely is something that overly affects your end product. Just look at all the great writers and composers over the years. Some of them were very sick, sick twisted bastards.

Convsersely, I would ask, that if I were transsexual, that simply because you are also transsexual and making this item, not to automatically assume I am going to enjoy or really say anything other than, "that is nice."

Okay--now that this aside... let us go over a few issues.

Why in Eris' prickle orange name would I think Rap is homophobic. Personally I think Eminem is probably one of the most gayest rappers out there. Personally I am waiting for Eminem to appear on the MTV Music awards and do a messy open mouthed kiss with Elton John. After the crap about how too girls trying to kiss on camera--and finding it may not be for them, and was a bit awkward as being "edgy".

That was never edgy. However, I am fairly certain Eminem doing a sloppy open mouth kiss with Elton John would definitely, in my deranged mind, would be edgy.

Though, if Eminem did that, it would still not confirm he is gay to me. As well--his main shtick is, that he is a shock artist that gives the audience what they want. You know, that whole "What you say I am" thing he did on his second LP.

Either way, considering how many groups we have that are your atypical rap group doing the stuff--that is anything that are not white and black people born and raised in suburbia for the most part--having people who are gay, lesbian, bi, /trans.*/, allied or any of the wonderful other labels that make the Pride Rainbow into a wonderful alphabet soup do it really does not seem odd to me.

Now, if we had Molly the Rapping Sheep, THAT would be something I would love to see a news story on.

Okay--next detail... performing at a sports bar.. okay that is... in New Fvcking Orleans?!?!?

I thought that had sunk and was currently next to Atlantis? Dammit! Well Hurricane Season IS coming up again.

Well, lets see, we have some people that are part of the Pride community, performing in probably the most open city in the continent, save for San Franfvckingsisco. I mean, I am fairly certain that if California were to sink into the ocean and New Orleans somehow was high enough above water to still hold a population (maybe set up a glass dome around it? This IS the 21st Century and all--we were suppose to get glass dome cities weren't we?), I am fairly certain no other city could easily compare with New Orleans to hold the role San Fransisco once held.

As well, the glass dome option is not as real of one for San Fransisco, as it requires a form of foundation that is not currently situated on a major fault.

So, okay, we have Sissy Bouncers, performing a genre that already has plenty of atypical entries in it (that is people who have not grown up in suburbia who have some weird sets of delusions about their street cred and make up ridiculous stories about being shot eight times before making it in rap), in the second most open city to their gender and sexual orientations on the continent.

FLAGGED FOR LACK OF FVCKING RELEVANCE!

But no... but no--who gives me this revolutionary news story? Twitters @TGWorldNews

Okay--you know what? This is a typical Web 3.0 thing they do. The comb through twitter, and find all the transgendered stuff people are really loving. Which there are plenty of people who think this is a wonderful concept.

Consider this having me add a Web 3.0 tag to my blog entries. I normally append stuff with "fail" on this subject... but well with Web 3.0's rather revolutionary retarded idea of "the sampling wisdom of crowds", prepending "fail" to Web 3.0 tags would be redundant.

But then, for some reason, I missed out on why one million people are less able to be idiots than one person.

The only reason any of you use the internet (And internet commandments)

Well, I normally only post blog entries during the last week of the month. No idea why one week of the month, my greatest desire would be to chew people out, bite their heads off and spit down their throat.

However, I came up to a little epiphany.

Why people use the Internet? Drama!

People talk about how much they hate Drama. Oh my god, there is so much drama here. Please, stop this.

In the past, I would have been more inclined to agree that less drama would be better.

However, it just kind of made sense that the only reason anybody uses the internet is because of how often we get that Special Olympics playing along. Whether you enjoy watching some of these events, or are a very big fan of taking part in these Special Internet Games, everybody loves drama on the Internet.

First lets go over the other "reasons" people give to justify this. Some of which I kind of thought might have been true before his most noodly appendage reached out from an alley and touched various parts of me. In other news, I need a new school uniform.

Myth: People Use The Internet for Research

This reason would work just fine... if not for the most abhorrent sin possible being present all over the internet.

1. Thou Shalt Not Be WRONG!

The internet allows us a rather wonderful medium to fix the idea that somebody out there may be wrong. This causes various methods to be put into place to try to fix their wrongness and make them stop being so damned wrong.

I mean, do you know how many billions of people every day, on the Internet, go around being wrong? It is a good thing that I have this blog, in place to slowly fix this horrid horrid crime. As we all know, ranting and raving on some blog is the best way to fix wrong people. Hell, I mean, the majority of my blog's followers are not even family members--so I must have a very good reach here (never mind that this is only because my family does not really bother or care to read my blog. As well, I seem to violate this, first commandment of the internet, as far as my family is concerned).

I mean, it is good that we have this great medium of information out there, and a large group of people to tell others just why and how everybody, but them, is completely wrong.

Myth: People use the Internet to talk to Friends and Family

Right--how many people actually enjoy talking to their family members? I mean, yes, you do get some members that are okay, and very nice to talk to.

However, most of your family is just people who are there, and generally annoy the crap out of you. Either you have a really psychotic mother (which, I am finding is surprisingly common). I mean, all women are crazy, and my Mom use to tell me growing up, "insanity is hereditary, you get it from your kids."

2. Go forth and be psychos. For Psychotic people are the bread and butter of the internet

Think about this for a bit? Who are the people bringing about all the great technologies on the internets. Who is it that brings all the large amounts of social change. I will tell you who:

Crazy Fuckers.

Between much of how the World Wide Web was worked on in the late 1990s being done by the Heaven's Gate Cult. To the point that some suspect that one of the main causes of the Dot Com Bomb, was their little Nike Blanket Party, that they went to, to exchange Apple Sauce recipes. As most of their members were very influential workers of the Internet at the time.

Then we have The Goons, Anonymous and the Japanese bringing forth a large amount of technologies and social structures, concepts and pretty much everything we know about on the internets. Personally, of those, I would put the The Goons at the most sane, Anonymous at second place for sanity, and the Japanese as last place, no matter who is entered into this contest for sanity.

But then, I very public suspect that Japan consists entirely of C'thulhu Cultists.

Myth: People use the internet to talk to people of similar interests

Well, yes--and this is probably the biggest cause of drama out there.

I mean, I see myself, as a fan of anthropomorphic artwork, and very spiritually in tune with certain animals.

Which, thanks to internet drama lets me know, that my greatest desire is to have sex in teddy bear suits.

It really does not help that most interest groups are completely and totally wrong. In violation of the first commandment of the internet (not to be confused with the Rules of the Internet).

I mean, as we all know, I am a fan of the Vim text editor. Which of course, is the correct text editor to be interested in.

You get some asshats who try to say EMACS is much better. They are completely and totally delusional. As I can tell you exactly why Vi and Vim is the ultimate editor for all to use:

1. Personal Preference
2. Familiarity
3. It is a standard

See, this is exactly why, anybody who says they like EMACS are fucking nuts. I mean, how can they not understand that Vim is so much better than EMACS will ever be, for those above three reasons.

I will note, that my choice of operation system, or distribution of operation system, is best, for those above reasons. Anybody who suggests another one is one of the most laughably insane people out there.

And even then for interest groups, it is not because it is fun--it is because it is work.

3. Stop Having Fun!

I mean, how can you enjoy playing Super Smash Bros., if you have no clue what Wave Dashing is? I mean, that is the reason Brawl is the worst game on the planet. They removed Wave Dashing.

Then we move into Pokemon, which you cannot possible play the game, unless you know about natures, IVs and EVs. I mean, playing the game is useless without such knowledge.

This is exactly why Final Fantasy XIII is the penultimate game out there. You have to slog through twenty hours of completely dull and trite crap, just so that when you do get somewhere interesting, you have done all the work in being exactly like how you want to be, before you are allowed to have fun.

These are games here people! Ones that you need to play exactly one fucking way, of GTFO. See Internet Commantment 1.

It is rather common, for any interest group, to ban anything that is fun to do. I mean, look at Christianity, and their one simplified commandment: "if you enjoy doing it, it is a sin."

And like Christianity:

4. Thou shalt not improvise. For improvisation shows no knowledge of the subject matter, like that of drolling out rote memorised speeches.

This is a mix of commandments number 3 and 2.

I mean, you improvised a bit based on Monty Python? You did not match the lines and words completely and totally perfect?!

YOU CAD!

You coloured outside the fucking lines on some standardised rule set, that helps make a game better by removing the fun?

GTFO YOU MONSTER COW!

Clearly you have forgotten the whole point of the internet. You have turned away from your god, and these commandments. You shall be case out into the fiery inferno where disco will be played for all eternity.

Speaking of Disco Infernos.

5. Thous Shalt make porn of it.

However, this commandment cannot break any of the other four commandments. Especially number four. I mean, if your pornography is not something that matches all the other porno up completely and exactly, with perhaps even the horrid idea of some originality to it, this also ends up breaking commandments 1, 2, and 3--as well as the obvious breaking of number 4.

I mean, the idea that you like something that is not the same plastic mold over and over again, is completely abhorrent and wrong. How can you live with yourself?

The idea that everybody enjoys the same thing, also very nicely falls under number 2.

Enjoying pornography? Are you kidding? Nobody enjoys pornography. It is the most abhorrent item to ever look at. Just ask any clergy man. He will set you straight. Then, he will go to the Choir Boy's special vocal chord therapy, where he applies a very holy cream to their vocal cords, that give them the voice of angels. A completely valid practice in helping people sing. Just look at pretty much every pop star out there today. Proof that giving lots and lots of head is the best thing you can do for your singing career.

Summary of the Internet Commandments to follow with zealous religious passion:

1. Thou shalt not be wrong
2. Go forth and be psychotic. For the crazy people are the bread and butter of the internet
3. Thou shall stop having fun!
4. Thou shalt not improvise. For improvisation shows no knowledge of the subject matter, like that of drolling out rote memorised speeches.
5. Thou shall make porn of it

Now then, the Internet shall be a good and holy place, for all of mankind to thrive, live, breath and sleep. While womankind is in their kitchens, fetching them beer and sandwiches.

Gah! Why are Pogeymanz fans so bloody silly?! Gen V speculation rant

Please--some speculation is fine really, it is. However, if you are going to speculate, please take into account previous events in the series.

First off, the starters.

Okay, I am fine with people disliking certain generations of starters. People have been hating the various starterssince about Gen III. I do not have a problem with it. Saying that you hate all of the starters of a certain generation.

Just keep on that attitude. I tend to see a fair amount of "well, I liked the Gen III starters--I mean, they had flavour and various elements to them that war me up. However, I absolutely hate the Gen V starters. I mean, look at that complete rip off of squirtle and piplup."

Okay--you have the memory of a gnat. As typically you just go back a few years, and see either, they were not around for the Gen III stuff... OR, they hated the crap out of the starters. Saying silly things like how much Mudkipz will suck. Or laughing at the flaming chicken. That Gecko thing? Horrid.

Then Gen IV comes. Everybody hates those starters. Turtwig? When it came out, you were hating it. Chimchar? Oh great, another fire fighting. And a flaming monkey to boot. Those cads at Nintendo! I mean, what is their problem! Well, at least Piplup looks good. I mean, the others completely suck, and will never be used. Ever. No way that I can see them ever being used.

Now, we get to Gen V. You'd think we'd know better than to bitch about the starters this time around. I mean, we can get a jolly laugh at how wrong we were with Gen III and Gen IV--and look at these pictures, and speculate in positive ways.

Then, we get people ripping on the water starter. Okay--do they have a valid argument? It is a rip off of Squirtle and Piplup you say?

This, I really do not follow--one bit.

Maybe it is because I have some amount of knowledge of various biologically real animals in our world. Not a lot. There are tons of gaps in my knowledge. I am just wondering how a flippin' Sea Otter gets mistaken for a Turtle or a Penguin. Perhaps explain this to me?

I mean--no, I get it, the water types are much easier to base on animals in real life. Hence why they seem similar. As most of these are based on adaptions to living in water.

I mean, we have various wonderful creatures in our oceans here, that have adapted a lot of ways to live. Yes, some of them are similar--which would make Manaphy and Phione a complete rip off of Tentacool and Tentacruel in that sense. However, in comparison to say, the fire types. There are much less for creatures that live in a constant state of being on fire.

Yes, we have Slugma and Macargo. The only other two IRL creatures that spend a notable time on fire, are Buddhist monks and Poltergeist. Though, if we were to base a Buddhist Monk on Fire/Psychic, we'd have a lot of people referring to the resulting monster as "Carrie"--and trying for a female one.

Poltergeist is a hard one, as it kind of requires a psychic nearby. As typically, following cryptozoology, Poltergeist are not creatures--so much as the psionic abstraction of a really stressed out teenage girl. Be them apparently female, or a variant of MtF. I dunno--that would be fun to see a Shedinja style evolution here. Possibly with a six Pokemon appearing in your party of Fire/Ghost, if you have your Fire/Psychic Pokemon get sufficiently ticked off with you.

Okay, so due to the sheer lack of IRL creatures that are in reality on fire at any notable amount of time, they are kind of forced to get creative here. He have creatures that are based on various mytholigcal creatures normally to deal with fire. Such as Salamander (Charmander), Hedgehog (cyndaquil), Chicken??? (Torchic) and a Monkey. Personally, I like the idea of the last two. A six foot kick boxing chicken and a flaming monkey ARE fairly nice to stand next to.

Personally, I tend to breed my flaming kick boxing chicken in with my flaming monkey producing the following movset:

• Fire Punch
• Focus Energy
• Blaze Kick
• Double Kick

but, mostly because I really do not like the U-turn/Close Combat combo. Just personal preference here. That is my only issue with it, really.

I mean, now because we do not have animals constantly on fire, save some slugs, poltergeist (paranormal), and Buddhist monks, in comparison to a large amount of creatures that live in THE FRAKING WATER we have complaints on water types.

I really do not get how a sea otter is a ripoff of a turtle or a penguin. I do not think I will ever know.

I mean--bitching and moaning about the starters just gets a little annoying after a while. Especially when the people doing it know they are fully justified. Only to have them go back to liking them, once we get to Gen VI or Gen VII. You just know that these are the same people that will realise how wrong they are.

Next, we get into seeing the legendaries. You know what? They are legendaries. I do not give a flying crap about them. Want to know why?

Arceus is Zubat.

Hear me out here. Remember Mewtwo? A Pokemon that made use of Mew, to be compatible enough to graft all the DNA of the strongest Pokemon in the world. To make Mewtwo the greatest fighter ever conceived? Do you remember this idea that he was engineered to be God amongst Pokemon.

These are the same creatures that blink, and entire cities are in ruin.

Now, fast forward to Gen IV and Gen III. Mewtwo, while in an upper tier, generally is nothing that special. He will get his ass kicked by plenty of other legendaries just fine. Which, in my opinion, justifies his angsty state. As he was essentially made to suck sort of thing. Heck, two nonlegends are easily capable of taking him on to the point of "you mah hoe!" status, those being Wobbuffet and Garchomp.

The idea of being the bottom to Wobbuffet scares me more than being married to Bubba in prison, just to let you know. And to Mewtwo, I can understand the horror that this analogy demonstrates.

By the time, Gen VI or Gen VII comes around. Arceus will be Zubat.

So, really, the Legendaries do not interest me. what does?

Well, I really like Red Chocobo's and Zorak's additions to the world of Pokemon:

Let's Play Pokemon Emerald

Let's Play Pokemon Crystal

Let's Play Pokemon Quartz

Let's Play Pokemon Fire Red

From what I have seen of Red Chocobo's take on Platinum, it is pretty awesome as well.

If anything, it is more the society, culture and the people. The world that exists in here. The folklore. The local customs. How things work and operate in this world. The flora, the fauna--the normal things.

I find the common Pokemon more interesting that the legendaries. As to me, they are more real. The legendaries do have some form--but they really are not a major or real part of people's day to day lives.

Possibly with me MSTing the whole thing as I go through it. I have been known to scream at the Tv while playing Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness.

I also have been noted, that if I were to design a game, I would most likely end with something on par with a Super Mario World: Kaizo difficultly level.

And--oh dear... we have Shippings starting on.. the.. characters... we only have two sketches of the characters... and people are already trying to name the shipping that they will have.

Okay, you know what? I am just going to leave this alone. As, I have never really understood the idea of shippings. I somehow watched Sailor Moon, during its original North American Tv Airing in the mid-1990s, and got through it, without bothering to really care about who ends up with who.

This concept personally troubles me.

As well--a few years later, in the Sonic Archie comics, I was fully supporting of Julie Sue and Knuckles getting together, and pointing to the idea of Sally Acorn and Sonic getting together.

Yeah, I am one of those silly Sonic fans. This is why when people try to tell me I am smart, I point out that people tell that drooling guy over there eating crayons and talking about his birthday party how people tell him that he is smart and can do anything if he tries.

Now excuse me--I am not entirely certain my vacant drooling form is quite at the right level to get phrase of "you are sooooo special and smart!". Any recommendations of colours of crayons to eat to get this status? I hear that yellow is particularly good. Purple, not so much. Yes, Purple has one of the most not worthy tastes--but itis not good to promote drooling. It really does not build the brain enough to allow for people talk about extravagant galas at Chuck E. Cheese's in Hawaii either. I mean, the more the mentally retarded kids talk about that stuff, the more their care taker tells them, "oh, you are sooooo smart. You can do anything!"

So, yes, I guess, being a Sonic fan, could put me in a similar "very special and intelligent" level of regarding.

I mean, the only shippings I can ever think I have ever done (or even remotely cared about) were to deal with Sonic the Hedgehog at the age of fifteen or sixteen.

So quite clearly, I am not at the sage enough level to understand these concepts or ideas. I know they are there. However, much like most people can turn on a Tv, without noting how Liquid Crystal Displays or Cathode Ray Tubes operate, I will note that they are part of my world, even if I cannot understand their inner workings. This also means, I will not poke around with their insides. Like most people should probably not be poking around in a Television set.

Why do I even bother?

I mean, these are the same fans that refer to moves as "OMG HAX!" (which is on the level, in my mind, with people saying that stuff in CounterStrike). They call game modifications "Game Hacks"--which would make CounterStrike a Halflife "Hack" in comparison. As most of what they are doing with Pokemon Games are the same stuff that was done on DOOM I and DOOM II to allow for FPS modifications. Also similar stuff was done on games like X-Com, various D&D RPG Systems and Fallout, to make modifications in Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3 seem to be common place.

However, it is not like these are not educated people here. I mean, look at their tools. Done in... Visual Basic 5 and Java. The Java one (shoddy) is done by somebody, who in my only real conversation with him, claimed to attend the University of Alberta. When questioned the location of the Sciences Campus, he did not seem to understand that various UoA Campuses are scattered all over Alberta. With the Sciences Campus being located in Camrose, a small city south east of Edmonton with no major transport to and from Edmonton. He kept saying I was weird, for the suggestions that all the campuses were not in one spot--and chiding me for going to the lesser NAIT--and Institute of Technology.

These same highly educated people, who do not release their source to a buggy Visual Basic 5 application, because they do not want people to steal their code.

When it IS Open Source, they do silly things, like hard coding various numbers into them. Like the RNG reporter that has an entire section that generates a small in memory database as something to be compiled into the resulting binary. Rather than say, maybe making a database that could be customised.

It is irritating to see various best practices, such as MVC, modular coding, scripting and large amounts of stuff in PEP-8 not in anyway present in these.

And I have no issue with running something for the JVM. Go crazy. The JVM is actually surprisingly well designed. The language Java, however, is not. If you ARE going to work with the JVM, allowing your software to enter into enterprise areas, I would suggest going with Clojure or JRuby. If Jython was not still based on python version 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, apparently 2.5 (for reference the current stable of Python is 2.6, and testing is 2.7 and 3.0). I would also suggest that. And if that coder who promised to release Jerl 6 would do her job...

I mean, you know what? Maybe, I am not the only one crazy enough to suggest a C based framework to do a set of libraries for Pokemon applications. Be them to modify games, simulate or just be elaborate calculators? C based frameworks that follow a large amount of those books on programming theory made in the 1970s. Which suck. of course. I mean, how could they know about efficient code? I mean, they STILL were working within 64KiB of RAM. Computers were the sizes of small houses. Efficiency in software obviously was not something they knew at all. I mean, today, we are totally better. I mean, my program can totally run in 4GiB of RAM, with a 1TiB Harddrive--why am I suggesting it is bad, that we should require this, for something that this could be done on your old 486 with only 16MiB of RAM. Can't I tell that we are doing so much more with our processors today? er--going off on another rant here.

Evidentially, I am not eating enough paint chips to understand these people's really intelligent ideas.

Also, I apologise for the links to wikipedia here. Most of those however, are just for general knowledge of the subject. There are generally better ways to look into the subject-based on your Operating System of choice.

Suddenly... life starts making sense.

Right... in the after math of: I Just Talk Too Much.

[14:21:09] <hil0> you can't diss someone for not dropping stuff
[14:21:19] <hil0> and then diss this person again when he/she tries
[14:21:31] <hil0> that's just not fair. in any way.
[14:21:42] <kusuriya> you can :P i do it a lot, you keep dissing them in an effort to get them to learn to drop things quick
[14:21:43] <kusuriya> IMO
[14:21:58] <hil0> ...what a backwards way of thinking
[14:22:07] <kusuriya> it works for most normal people
[14:22:10] <hil0> then you get no appreciation for trying to change your ways O_o< [14:22:15] <kusuriya> its how i learned to drop things quick
[14:22:26] <hil0> ...and since when is dake "a normal person"?
[14:22:34] <kusuriya> this is also true
[14:22:36] <hil0> I dun think that will work on her
[14:22:42] <hil0> I think she's like me
[14:22:49] <kusuriya> it may not
[14:22:52] <hil0> needs shown appreciation to keep wanting to change
[14:22:58] <hil0> if that would happen to me
[14:23:10] <kusuriya> but eventually it will piss her off enough that she just wont try to do arguments with any of us :P

Actually no... when I get pissed off, the last thing I am going to do is shut up. No--then it just has me yell at you just a little bit more... possibly moving to violence.

Sigh--this reminds me of High School... well, my High School life before Columbine happened. I will note that all the other students kind of stopped teasing me so much AFTER Columbine... they kind of started being nice to me.

Which kind of says something, when other kids are scared I will shoot them the fuck up, when our school, at the time, was on a Military Base, with the Military Police Station just a few blocks away.

[14:23:22] <kusuriya> me
[14:23:26] <kusuriya> ive personally just given up
[14:23:29] <hil0> I would just say "fuck it people don't care if I try and change or not, obviously, they just like to harass me for being this way and it will never change no matter what"

Oh, hey... look at that... I have entire blog where I bitch and scream about that sort of crap. Funny story that too.

[14:23:36] <kusuriya> if i dont have to say anything i just ignore her
[14:23:51] <hil0> and then I would stop trying.
[14:24:05] <kusuriya> then everyone just harasses you more every time you do it
[14:24:12] <kusuriya> its peer pressure thats how it works

Uh-Kusu... perhaps... maybe.. no.. yes! Let us go with the idea that this is a hypothesis on this here.

First off, some of you may not understand what the fuck kusu is thinking here. Lets give a little setting shall we:

This crap is happening in an irc channel named #rantradio on FreeNode. This is an irc network for Rant Media, whose front man has is known for screaming his head off on various topics of varying importance.

Okay--okay... let us go over how what kusu said here is possibly the most mentally retarded thing I have ever considered.

Gay people.

Those damned gay people. I mean--if peer pressure worked, there would be none of those damned gay people walking around. Or transsexuals. Women would still be chained to the stove, popping out babies every nine months. Black people would still be picking cotton and saying "yesa massah!".

I mean, I grew up in a very conservative small oil town in Alberta, Canada. Which for those of you not aware of what that is like--it is like growing up in a small town in Texas... except a lot more conservative and closed minded.

Yet--I still have my own opinions on various subjects that kind of make the idea of Peer Pressure seem bloody retarded.

So--why does this work on some people, and not others? Well, going with the Jung Typology tests, you get people like us. The ENFP.

And you know what? Only about two or three percent of the people are ENFP.

There you go, Kusu--you appear just like the rest of the population. You are a very special creature humans. I mean--that is what I will define humans as: Very Special.

Edit: apparently editing posts on this site which contain angle braces confused the crap out of it.

I just talk way too much

Discussion leading up to the situation

23:04 <+Jibkat> http://cdn.betacie.com/fmylife/data/en/illust/u4.png

23:05 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Jibkat: yeah... the proper term is mechanophile...
23:05 <+KatrinaTheLamia> wait... Jibkat... you... you are not a mechanophile are you?
23:06 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Screw it--we are not leaving Jibkat alone with any motorised vehilces ever again.
23:06 <+Trinity> yeah we are, it's his dick that he's fucking up
23:06 <+Trinity> it'll be flat by the time he's done
23:07 <+Jibkat> You know
23:07 <+Trinity> ?
23:07 <+Trinity> don't be mad jib
23:07 <+Jibkat> All this shit talk that Katrina is doing is againt the rules of the chat
23:07 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Trinity: well, I suppose what a consenting adult, and his chevy convertable do int the privacy of their own home is completley their own
                         business.
23:07 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Jibbers: which rules are those?
23:07 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Jibkat: I mean, if I am breaking a rule, you need to cite it.
23:08 <+Jibkat> When somone has you on ignore, your not suppost to be trying to get people to say the shit your saying
23:08 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Citation needed
23:08 <+Trinity> jib: we've all broken the rules of the chat just today
23:08 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Jibkat: who says I am trying it.
23:08 < Kabiri_Jester> eh?.. Citation?
23:08  * Trinity is confused
23:08 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Jibkat: I am just talking, and people seem to be enjoying it.

The incident:


23:09 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Trinity: yeah--jibbers has me on ignore
23:09 <+Jibkat> Trin, I have the fucker on ignore
23:09 <+Trinity> Katrina: no, we are just bored ;)
23:09 <+Jibkat> With his constant furry love shit
23:09 <+Trinity> oh okay
23:09 <+Jibkat> So his tricking you to post stuff he says
23:09 <+Illuminaughty> lol
23:09 -!- CaponeX [~capone@c-76-16-24-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #rantradio
23:09 -!- mode/#rantradio [+o CaponeX] by ChanServ
23:09 < Kabiri_Jester> I have a solution, Log into SL and listen to the show
23:09 <+Jibkat> Hey Cappy
23:09 <+KatrinaTheLamia> jibbers: no, I am not doing any kind of tricking anybody.
23:10 <+Trinity> well SEE, now i'm put in a position...O.o
23:10 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Jibkat: if people are posting stuff I say, it is without any suggestion of my own part.
23:10 <+kusuriya> Trinity: its better to just let it slide and dont include jibbles in it he ingores KatrinaTheLamia for his own reasons
23:10 <+Trinity> yeah that's understandable
23:11 < Kabiri_Jester> I have a better solution;
23:11 <+kusuriya> ignores even
23:11 < Kabiri_Jester> Drop the enitre topic all together
23:11 < Kabiri_Jester> T%alk about the Kunfu bear
23:11 <+kusuriya> yes
23:11 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Trin: IO think the reason he is so frustrated by me, is because he likes me, but cannot admit it.
23:11 <+Trinity> I can admit that I didnt know about the ignore, but ANYWAY let's stop bitching about the fucking ignoring people bullshit and go on with regular
                 convos
23:11 <+Jibkat> What is Kunfu beer and how can I get it
23:11 <+KatrinaTheLamia> there we go!
23:11 <+Trinity> Katrina: drop it
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23:12 <+Jibkat> Trin, its pointless
23:12 <+Jibkat> Just ignore him and move on with your life
23:12 <+Jibkat> ^_^
23:12 <+kusuriya> Trinity: just ignore it and she will drop it she doesnt take commands well
23:12 < Kabiri_Jester> Jibkat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ptYTGTNiyQ
23:12 <+KatrinaTheLamia> drop what?

23:12 <+Trinity> the subject Katrina
23:12 <+KatrinaTheLamia> which subject?
23:12 <+Jibkat> NO, I WANT KUNFU BEER
23:12 <+KatrinaTheLamia> I was talking about Kung fu bear
23:12 <+KatrinaTheLamia> 23:11 <+Jibkat> What is Kunfu beer and how can I get it
23:12 <+KatrinaTheLamia> 23:11 <+KatrinaTheLamia> there we go!
23:13 -!- nimbius [~cicero@71-37-199-174.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
23:13 <+KatrinaTheLamia> ^^ that is not dropping it?
23:13 <+Trinity> Katrina....you're kinda being annoying now
23:13 < Kabiri_Jester> Their was once a wise person who said, "The difference between "Commands" and suggestions, is all in ones perception of self vs. Ego of self
                       worth." I suggest,.. you percieve a better direction and focus of jabing at someone else... Liek me,.. I a way more entertaining target
23:13 <+Trinity> I feel like I'm talking to my son having to repeat myself
23:14 <+KatrinaTheLamia> fuck it-I can say "move on please" a thousand times, and people will still think I am causing trouble.
23:14 <+Trinity> lol Kabiri ;)
23:14 <+KatrinaTheLamia> .ne growls
23:14  * Jibkat meows
23:14 <+KatrinaTheLamia> anyways... Kung fu bear?
23:14 < Kabiri_Jester> Poke fun at the Jester,... its way more entertaining,.. and probably wont get you banned,.. because I like being made fun of. =^_^=

23:14 <+kusuriya> Kabiri_Jester: i agree but im not going to hit hat hive :)
23:15 <+KatrinaTheLamia> I was agreeing with that topic chamnge/
23:15 < Kabiri_Jester> wise idea

I just cannot shut up or change topics. No--I am just stuck in a bloody rut in an argument. Not moving on to a new subject.

You know--this situation has occurred way too many times.

Could somebody please tell me how to drop a subject,

As apparently I have no idea on it.

I thought I was attempting to drop the subject here--but I am apparently mistake. Perhaps something should be put here.

This happens often enough that, clearly I am doing something wrong here as apparently I am the same component in each situation this occurs. I need to learn what I am doing wrong, so this does not continue,

I hope that when June comes--I can cooperate with admins better

Okay--I admit. We are into May. Which, you know what? It is fucking stressful. School tests--which tend to affect students, teachers... and people who hire students.

I am just going to assume that the admin that kicked me was stress prior to me entering the chat. The thing is--that is not something you take onto being justified admining.

Unfortunately--like most issues in IRC, the memories are short of the events... but the impressions last.

Apparently fenris impression of me is that I am an impeccable. I have talked to him on Freenode--fairly often before this. I can swear I have seen him in places other than #fedora. Though--there is a small chances that this may have been an off shoot of another incident on the same server.

If there is one thing I know how to do it is get under people's skin.

Now, lets give a background of my situation.

I bought this scanner a month ago. I have been having issues getting it working. As you can see in the log, I appear to be able to point to how to find out where to find the drivers--and what version it first appeared in.

Also, I have been in enough spots on FreeNode for long enough that, your best assumption is that my first attempt was to RTFM. Possibly look on Google.

Now, into the log:


--- Log opened Wed May 26 19:29:21 2010
19:29 -!- KatrinaTheLamia [~root13@li130-87.members.linode.com] has joined #fedora
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19:29 < KatrinaTheLamia> uh--quick question what package contains the kernel modules that allow sane to talk to my scanner?
19:29 -!- dhaval [~dhaval@nat-cataldo.sssup.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
19:30 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, kernel modules? you mean usb?
19:30 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: something like that.
19:30 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, or do you mean sane modules found in sane-backends?
19:30 < KatrinaTheLamia> I was looking through /lib
19:30 < KatrinaTheLamia> uh... my issues stems from modprobe having no clue what I am talking about.
19:30  * Anpan starts to despair
19:31 < KatrinaTheLamia> As the kernel modules I need are well--not there.

Okay--you know what? I can see fenris02's newbie alarms going off on this... if we were still back in the days of Linux 0.97 and 2.0 and 2.2.

As you know what? Back then, that was very common. Today, we are in the modern day of the 2.6 kernel. Typically with only a few throwbacks to the 2.4 kernel. Which has a few howtos suggest a single line of `modprobe scanner` typically.

Trust me--that does show up in the USB trouble shoot sections of a few SANE howtos.

Perhaps look at:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljm/SANE-faq.html

file://localhost/usr/share/doc/sane-backends-*/plustek/Plustek-USB.txt

http://www.sane-project.org/README.linux

http://www.zianet.com/k5di/usb/usb-scanner.txt

http://www.howtoforge.com/sane_xsane_scanner

http://www.graphics-muse.org/wp/?p=428

I mean, this was beyond the various man pages and docs on my system... which was my first look.

Typically following

$ man xsane

$ man scan-image

$ man sane-find-scanner

I even decided that perhaps maybe my debug level was not high enough so the following ENV variables were set:

SANE_DEBUG_EPSON2=4

ANE_DEBUG_SANEI_USB=4

So--my debug levels were ridiculously high enough that if SANE had a slight case of the sniffles, it would wake the dead. Causing the brain hungry undead to roam the earth gnawing on the flesh of humans.

I noticed a pattern in my errors:

[sanei_usb] sanei_usb_open: can't find device `/dev/usbscanner9' in list

[sanei_usb] sanei_usb_open: can't find device `/dev/usbscanner10' in list

[sanei_usb] sanei_usb_open: can't find device `/dev/usbscanner11' in list

Okay... let us go under my basic understanding of how linux works. Perhaps, maybe my understanding of Linux is at fault here.

Linux is typically a name for a group of software that work in tandem with together to produce useful results. Remove on element, and it destroys the balance.

Essentially you have the kernel--the center of any large computer program. Typically Operating Systems will have a kernel--but there are plenty of largely created programs that require a lot of work to them that will typically have one centre called the kernel. Various large GUI projects will have a kernel. Items that deal with issues with timing will often have a kernel.

The kernel is probably better spelled as "Colonel". (I may have to refer to a kernel as the naming of "RearAdmiral").

Most "applications" within the framework containing the kernel generally require the kernel to tell them where to go. They build onto the kernel, and may talk between a few of themselves for functionality.

Then there are other elements that are build on layers on that.

In this case.

You have the hardware.

You have the linux kernel

You have init.d (process 0).

You have various applications for super user land.

Then you have user land.

SANE typically is meant to exist in user land. Though, with a few elements in super user land.

Those /dev/ entries? Typically indicate something going on around the linux kernel level.

The /dev file system is something that is done on various UNIX and UNIX workalike systems. It does not exist. Typically, it indicates a list of devices that the kernel currently has an idea of how to talk to.

These files in this file system do not exist on your hard drive--except for their inode values. 

An Inode typically an entry, to my understanding that tells a long about what the "file" is or does and is located for accounting purposes--I admit shakiness on my understanding of this. I do know that if you end up running out of inodes before you run out of space, the device will act as though you have no space on it--though... this never happens in modern systems. Not certain if it is because we have several TiB hard drives on the market--or if advances in partition formats, such as ntfs, jfs, xfs, rieserfs and ext9001, have made it so that running out of inodes is insanely hard to do. It probably is both.

So, these files that it was trying to find in /dev, typically are representations of what the kernel is able to understand and do.

The thing is--these tutorials generally mention that udev should do it automatically (you at user land do not need to worry your pretty little head off... udev will protect you!). They rarely point to locations that may fix or correct udev entries should they fail.

A few of the ones I listed, will point to `modprobe` as a solution for both 2.4 and 2.6. Mind you, 2.4 does have a lot more to load--typically 2.6 only has scanner or usbscanner. This is mostly to let the system know that hey "this is how you talk to scanners"

And go through the tutorials--not all of them suggest this solution. Some say it should just work--though I admit that trying the modprobe may have been Cargo Cult Code--but the last time I have had a working scanner was on 2.4... and that means, I had to run those two or three modprobe commands before I could use sane.

I mean--okay... I could see it as a newbie type question if the documents supported looking through the kernel modules for the scanner.

Which I kind of state--there was nothing, indicating anything in there for any usb talking to a scanner. There was a few generic "talk to devices"--which generally were supported by other items such as CUPS.

I must admit that it is nice that these have generic talk to devices while there is a large amount of external network hardware stuff my modules list and a few external hard drive type stuff.

Internal, go crazy--if you got something varying from SATA, IDE, SCSI or Ribbon based connections.

However, that other external stuff? Mayhaps apply the same policy. Personally, I want to see some form of kernel module that just sends wireless hardware handling to an software point. This however, would allow for various Wifi type conventions to be completely broken at a coder's whim.

My understanding of it, was that even after the device was plugged in it did not see it here.

19:31 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, because you dont use modprobe for scanners typically ...

19:31 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: yes, I know

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19:31 < Anpan> if things stay like this, i have to go back to windows. And thats what i totally want to avoid.

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19:31 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: however pretty much ever SANE howto has a setp that uses modprobe in it.

19:32 < KatrinaTheLamia> for 2.4, 2.5 and 2.6 kernels at least.

I was about to point out that this was not a typical situation, as we have various /dev/ entries not showing up.

19:32 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, ok, you do whatever you feel is best. when you want it working let me know

Translation from Passive Aggressive to English. I do not know the answer--however I am going to make it well known that what you are doing is incorrect. I refuse to be helpful--and will mostly wait here while you struggle and just answer with I told you so.

Please, fenris02, we have seen each other in the channel a few times. Typically I have some idea on what I am doing--my issue is that it is not the Fedora way. Which does have some good traits. Heck some wonderful traits. However, you guys suck at getting it out there.

I mean, okay, you DO have a wiki for setting up various items. The issue is, that it obvious has a very bad search engine ranking, as well--I do not think I have ever seen it appear in Google. I mean, I am more likely to see forums dealing with porting my program to a legacy version of Amiga OS and their issues, before I see the fedora help site in google.

It does not show up as standard bookmark in the browsers I run (which I have never removed the fedora bookmarks). While I do not place many bookmarks--I have issues remembering the domain name.

It only pisses me off that it SHOULD be something easy to remember--however in my mind... it is just one step outside of helpful.

Now, the Fedora Forums do show up--I do not really bother with forums for help.

You get three typical answers:

Answer A:

Somebody whining about an issue--and people agreeing they cannot get it to work either. These get irritating to see when you have solved it--but for some reason are unable to post on your solution.

Answer B:

Somebody claims to have solved it. People confirm it. Wait a few months--and they disappear. New people come it, talking about how the solution gave does not work. Even faithfully repeating every reported conditions.

Answer C:

A problem is posted. Then they say they solved it--without really pointing out what happened. I mean, even an "I dunno--magic shoe pixies?" would be a good answer here. Answer C sucks for me--because all it leaves me wondering is, "okay--that is nice... why does it not work for me"

Further more, the Fedora help wiki is surprisingly under documented. There is a large amount of sections that are in a state of fill in later.

Which is nice--I understand people are busy, and there is a lot to talk about. This kind of negates it as "a place to go for help" though.

Okay... so...

We have fenrir02 here... obviously not wanting to help.

And guess what? That passive aggressive comment is what sparked the fire.

He showed no indication of helping--flat off from the start, he branded me as a newbie somehow following philosophies from Kernel version 2.1 era (which do not even appear in many tutorials either these days). 

I mean, was I really that stupid, the modern equivalent was "I clicked the GUI, it did not work."

I can live with fenrir02 going senile though.

19:32 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: I want it working now

19:32 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: okay... how do I do this?

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19:32 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, step 1) stop playing around with modprobe.

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19:32 < KatrinaTheLamia> As just about ever document I could find on google fail on the step that requires modprobe to be used.

19:32 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, what scanner do you have?

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19:32 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: one that is in the epson2 sane-backend

19:33 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, how many entries do you have in dll.conf ?

19:33 < KatrinaTheLamia> I have removed everything expect for epson2 and net

19:33 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, does "lsusb" show your scanner?

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19:34 < cpuobsessed> whoa! photorec is AWESOME!

19:34 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: the issue stems from  the fact that no where in /dev is /dev/usbscanner\d+ or /dev/usb/scanner\d+

19:34 < KatrinaTheLamia> I have put sane-find-scanner's debug level up to four on several spots... it has no idea how to talk to any form of scanner hardware

19:34 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, does "lsusb" show your scanner?

Okay, fenris02... I pointed out what I saw the issue here. Please stop going into "is it plugged in mode".

I mean--it is generally very irritated that I am frustrated that this scanner has not been working for about a month, and your general going into your old drills, when I have pointed out my situation was that I have ran various items here--and guess what? The error is that I do not have the devices to allow programs to interact with the scanner.

I have given you a general summary of the situation here. Yet you go into drill mode.

Thank you for regarding me as a person--and not just another fucker that comes in for support.

By the way, my view is that there are two kinds of humans: people and fuckers. It was obvious that I was in the fucker category here.

It may have been a long day--and fenris02 may have been under stress.. but well...

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19:35 < amabo> how might i go about installing gnome 3 with fedora 13?

19:35 < fenris02> amabo, su -c "yum install @gnome-desktop"

19:35 < amabo> fenris02: thanks!

19:35 < Anpan> So nobody can/wants to help me anymore?

19:36 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: there is an Epson entry

19:36 < fenris02> Anpan, your driver was not found in kmod-staging? you sure?

19:36 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: but it has only saw the printer part of it

19:36 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, ok, what is that line?

19:36 < Anpan> fenris02: well, the networkmanager doesn't show any signs of wlan being available

19:36 < KatrinaTheLamia> Bus 001 Device 014: ID 04b8:0854 Seiko Epson Corp. 

19:37 < fenris02> Anpan, did you install kmod-staging successfully?

19:37 < Anpan> fenris02: yum didn't return any errors, at least.

19:37 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, what is the full model name of teh device?

19:38 < KatrinaTheLamia> Epson Workforce 310

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19:39 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: my scanner appears to have been in the Epson2 backend since about version 1.0.12

19:39 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, are you sure?  it does not show up on the list ...

19:40 -!- cpg is now known as cpg|away

Right--you know the situation better than me... but uh... did you know about? They suck at updating this list.

19:40 -!- cpg is now known as cpg|away

19:40 < KatrinaTheLamia> I will grab you the vender id and stuff... look for it that way

19:40 < cpuobsessed> amabo: gnome 3 isn't out yet, you can install what they are calling a preview: gnome-shell

19:40 < KatrinaTheLamia> those lists are horribly unmaintained it seems

19:40 < amabo> cpuobsessed: do i have to recompile a kernal or anything like that?

19:40 < fenris02> you already provided the vendor id above.

Yeah--I know.. but... that output was only vaguely verbose. I mean, generally I am not for tool reports containing what appears to be two Ambigiously labelled number BUS and ID, followed by two seeming arbitrary numbers.

I mean, yes, it is obvious now--but it generally gets annoying when people put output on a console or into a long that is largely a lot of meaningless numbers and vague terms.

Yes, that is wonderful for internal stuffs. Go crazy with internals.

If the program is spitting out diagnostic info... well... lets compare with `ifconfig wlan0`

wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX  

          inet addr:10.0.5.26  Bcast:10.0.5.255  Mask:255.255.255.0

          inet6 addr: fe80::224:2cff:fe98:97ed/64 Scope:Link

          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1

          RX packets:44374643 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0

          TX packets:24944142 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0

          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 

          RX bytes:3470024625 (3.2 GiB)  TX bytes:3987538479 (3.7 GiB)

That is a lot better than the output of lsusb.

While, yes, that does require some network knowledge it is generally a lot easier to make heads or tails of than of what lsusb says.

Oh, right--this was where fenris02 decided I was insulting him--no, I am mostly just irritated, and venting a little.

I also want a problem solved... and my main instinct when a problem steps on me, so to bite it until it  is solved.

19:40 < KatrinaTheLamia> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x0854) at libusb:001:014

19:40 < KatrinaTheLamia> plug those two hex values into sanes search option.

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19:41 < KatrinaTheLamia> It has been included since the four patch level of 1.0.12

19:41 < KatrinaTheLamia> though... it seems to have listed it as since "1.0.124"... I am mostly going to blame an accident with the version system

19:42 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, sane-find-scanner reports what?

19:42 < cpuobsessed> amabo: for gnome-shell? no; it's a part of desktop-effects

19:42 < cpuobsessed> yum install gnome-shell

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19:42 < KatrinaTheLamia> right... I will paste a more full form

19:42 < KatrinaTheLamia> [sanei_usb] sanei_usb_open: can't find device `/dev/usbscanner14' in list

19:42 < KatrinaTheLamia> [sanei_usb] sanei_usb_open: can't find device `/dev/usbscanner15' in list

19:42 < KatrinaTheLamia> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x0854) at libusb:001:014 # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage.

19:43 < KatrinaTheLamia> those cannot find device exists for... well... over nine thansand lines above that.

19:43 < KatrinaTheLamia> if you want I can redirect STDERR and put that into pastebin

19:43 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, please use fpaste.org or dpaste.com for that.

19:43 < fenris02> much easier to follow that way.

Right-- fenris02... see... this was where I already doubted you ever cared to follow me. I just entered into you channel. Another fucker--but an angry noisy fucker.

Completely ignore the fact I pointed out everything above that is the same error message over and over again.

Completely ignore that the vendor id I gave earlier was from the command you asked for, and yet you asked for it again.

Completely ignore that there was only five lines of paste--five lines of paste that contains all you really need to know the issue here.

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19:44 < KatrinaTheLamia> in this case, it was only five lines... and most of the redundant crap was removed.

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19:44 < KatrinaTheLamia> the important part are all the lines, fenris02, I would think, that it cannot find a device to talk to the scanner

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19:45 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, and did you try 'scanimage -L' as suggested?

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19:45 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: no... no I doid... OF COURSE I DID...

19:45  * KatrinaTheLamia does that again

19:46 < spoleeba> fenris02, udev rules issue>

19:46 < spoleeba> fenris02, ?

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19:46 < fenris02> spoleeba, possibly.  i cant get the facts to find out

I gave you the facts you need, right at the beginning of this discussion.

This here is mostly for you to do an exercise in you ability to masturbate your passive aggressive prowelness.

You are not really showing any interest in the situation. The only reason you care is because I am coming here loudly. Chances are--the other result would be me pasting my question over and over again--with well... what happened last time.

I got told to head over to #sane... who kept directing me to #fedora.

When I get that from various phone lines, it usually means that I am phoning Canadian Government Workers--usually heavily incompetent ones.

My confidence in your solution is gone.

You got your data you need.

Please, just listen.

19:46 < fenris02> spoleeba, you are welcome to try instead

19:47 < spoleeba> fenris02, if i had any usb scanner to poke at...i would

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19:47 < kc8hfi> i copied my old .fdi file from f12 and trying to use it in f13 isn't working quite right.  did something change with the format or something?

19:48 < spoleeba> fenris02, i see the udev rule file..and the long list of scanners...and im just wondering...

Hey, fenris02... I cannot say this to your face--but the psycho yelling chick? I think she may have been correct here.

19:48 < fenris02> spoleeba, *nod*  it is certainly a good suspect.

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You ass kissed me well enough--good, you get to be correct.

19:49 < KatrinaTheLamia> Like I have been saying my issue from the start was.

19:50 < KatrinaTheLamia> Hence why maybe... just maybe, under the step in most howtos, for even the 2.6 kernel (which last I checked I WAS using... I can run uname -ar if you want), to run at least one line of modprobe.

Oh, hey, fenris02... I am just going to voice my opinion on how spoleeba just said I was right, on the information I gave at the start of this.

Rather than this run around you did here, when you regarded me as fucker and did the long ass "is it plugged in spiel"

19:50 < spoleeba> KatrinaTheLamia, pardon...but can you give me the vendor and device id again...i want to try to look iot up in the udev rules for sane scanners

19:50 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, i've told you before, and i will only repeat it this once more.  you are welcome to keep bashing away until you guess upon the solution, or ask and learn.  if you insist on being sarchatic and unfriendly, i'm free to go elsewhere.

Well, yes, you are--you however do not.

In this case, you just kick me, rather than part the channel.

Again more passive aggressive bullshit.

If you are going to kick somebody, flat out say, "I will kick you if you continue."... please do not do this "I am the good guy. I am helping"--when all you are doing is nothing.

19:50 < fenris02> spoleeba,   found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x0854) at libusb:001:014

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Okay--here he was actually helpful... it kind of required ass kissing though.

19:51 < spoleeba> fenris02, its in udev

19:51 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: right... perhaps you should ask... perhaps... perhaps maybe I did your way... about ooh--three weeks ago... in fact, I think this line of stuff did not work... I was then bounced over to sane

19:51 < spoleeba> fenris02, ATTRS{idVendor}=="04b8", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0854", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes"

19:51 < fenris02> spoleeba, yep.  here too.

19:51 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: I am just a little bit frustrated, as previous experience shows that following these steps does not work.

Translation: I am sorry. I should not have used this channel to vent. You are starting to help me--so I will start to calm down.

19:51 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, ok.  someone else can help you then.  good luck.

Translation from Passive Aggressive to English: see, you are wrong. Your scanner works completely fine. This problem requires no more attention from any of us. Never mind that the only person who actually have attention to the situation was spoleeba.

Translation con't: I mean--I also did a large amount of going through the motion, so I looked helpful. So it is all good.

Oh--hey fenris02... guess what would have ended this situation here?

Just simply asking, is it in your udev file, Katrina? Here is the location, paste it onto a pastebin.

I mean, it is not like Katrina was the first to suggest using some paste bin, but risked pasting something that was only five lines--followed by me saying the rest is redundant and that I can paste the full STDERR output onto a pastebin.

19:51 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: you ARE aware of the definition of insanity then

For those of you unaware:

The definition of insanity is trying the exact same stuff over and over again--and magically expecting some different result without any reason for it to be prompted.

I figured that was somewhat more tactful that what it translates out to:

Translation: FUCK YOU! I have done those steps several times. I'd sooner try to use the Goggles.

19:52 < pixinvent> I LOVE FEDORA

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19:52 < pixinvent> I'm just saying.

19:52 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: yeah... and somehow, I doubt that would be help ful either... wait... I KNOW! IS MY BLOODY COMPUTER TURNED ON >.>'

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19:52 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, correct your attitude or go elsewhere.  NOW.

You clearly are not kissing my ass enough.

19:52 < KatrinaTheLamia> pixinvent: actually I love it too... just... the error I am having is very unexpected.. and it is frustrating as it seems that there is no solution

19:52 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: okay-I will still myself.

BTW: am I the only one that thinks my next two lines are to the effect of attempting to disarm the situation.

However, the ire of fenris02 has been risen. The person asking for help, did not play his games, did not kiss his ass, and pointed out his exact behaviours.

The only thing that will come next is being dunked into a pool full of Hungry Sharks with Frikkin Laser Beams on Their Foreheads.

19:53 < Skaperen> last time I tried to use Fedora ... which was a while back (Fedora 9 I think) ... I could not figure this out ... but I'm going to try to set up a machine with Fedora 13 tomorrow ... what I want to do ahead of time is get a list of all packages I could choose to install (and browse through them and make choices ahead of time)

19:53 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: that was not attitude... it was mostly just veniting. Not aimed at anybody in particular.

19:53 < Anpan> pixinvent: i loved it too... until today

19:53 < fenris02> Skaperen, the install guide is an excellent place to start

19:53 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: mostly to just let off some steam.

BTW--I have a funny idea.. or theory on how to be much more happy.

I generally ignore people letting of steam in these.

If somebody is swearing and getting rather sarcastic, I merely take it as symptoms that maybe they are human, and frustrated. A gentle hand is a best touch--rather than telling them that if they do not start kissing my ass, and playing my games, their problem will never be solved.

I have seen people that frustrated in channels I have been able to help in.

Noting that I seem to be using some dialect of English here, likely EN-GB, maybe EN-CA--it is fairly obvious that I show some intelligence. I also flat out told him how I felt the situation was occurring here. To his face. I apologised once, and mentioned that I would try to calm down. However, it was typically answered with passive aggressive nonsense--and only going through the motions of help. With no real interest in doing so.

19:53 < Skaperen> fenris02: I believe that is what I did last time ... have they added a list of packages now?

19:53 < pixinvent> If you have a hard time setting up fedora just do the live CD. It's easy Ubuntu style.

19:53 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, keep it up and i will also let off some steam ... in your direction.  Now, behave.

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19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: why do you think I am flaming people?

19:54 < fenris02> Skaperen, what is it you're looking for specifically?

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: because I am not

Spoiler: If you are not fluent with Passive Aggressiveness, he was generally flaming me a lot more.

I was merely reacting in an honest way. Generally considering his way, less than honest, and generally very irritating, frustrating and not worth my time to deal with.

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19:54 < Anpan> pixinvent: i doubt that would fix my problem with missing wlan and the keyboard that doesn't work

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: have I insulted anybody since I got in here?

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19:54 < pixinvent> The Fedora 13 DVD lets you specify the packages. It's awesome. I love the minimal install.

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: if anything, you have been more insulting to me.

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: now lets move on.

Why do I feel like I am repeating myself here?

Ohh... lets see..

19:32 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: okay... how do I do this?

[...]

19:43 < KatrinaTheLamia> those cannot find device exists for... well... over nine thansand lines above that.

19:43 < KatrinaTheLamia> if you want I can redirect STDERR and put that into pastebin

[...]

19:45 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: no... no I doid... OF COURSE I DID...

19:45  * KatrinaTheLamia does that again

[...]

19:51 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: right... perhaps you should ask... perhaps... perhaps maybe I did your way... about ooh--three weeks ago... in fact, I think this line of stuff did not work... I was then bounced over to sane

[...]

19:51 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: I am just a little bit frustrated, as previous experience shows that following these steps does not work.

[...]

19:52 < KatrinaTheLamia> pixinvent: actually I love it too... just... the error I am having is very unexpected.. and it is frustrating as it seems that there is no solution

19:52 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: okay-I will still myself.

[...]

19:53 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: that was not attitude... it was mostly just veniting. Not aimed at anybody in particular.

Translation: I am sorry that you took offense. This was not aimed at you. Please stop acting like I am punching your mom in the stomach repetitive while I force her to watch me shove a pineapple up your Dad's rear end.

[...]

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: why do you think I am flaming people?

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: because I am not

Translation: you seem awfully pissing about what I am saying here. Nobody else has complained. Heck, if you had just shut up, and quit acting like you had something that only resembles a slightly larger than average lack of desire to help, some of the others would have jumped in.

No, I insulted Fedora... as... it did not work perfectly out the box... you'd think I defecated on your grandma's grave and used the flowers as tissue.

It is an OS--it is normal for something to not work. I am a human (I think), it is normal for me to be frustrated at a situation. It is also normal for when I gave a full summary on the situation, even gave you all the useless data you needed to stroke that ego of yours that you may have been helping--you still maintain I do the steps I did again, that did not work.

Also, if you had perhaps asked for a past of my udev file, as, you know what? It may have been incomplete. There are countless things that could get in the way here. I appologise to the audience (yes all i3 of you) for speaking the tongue fenris02 was using here. The translation is: probably one or two typical things that can be shrugged off, and worked to fix the situation more fully.

[...]

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: have I insulted anybody since I got in here?

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: if anything, you have been more insulting to me.

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: now lets move on.

Right... Citation needed obviously:

19:32 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, ok, you do whatever you feel is best. when you want it working let me know

[...]

19:40 < KatrinaTheLamia> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x0854) at libusb:001:014

19:42 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, sane-find-scanner reports what?

19:42 < KatrinaTheLamia> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x0854) at libusb:001:014 # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage.

[...]

19:43 < KatrinaTheLamia> those cannot find device exists for... well... over nine thansand lines above that.

19:43 < KatrinaTheLamia> if you want I can redirect STDERR and put that into pastebin

19:43 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, please use fpaste.org or dpaste.com for that.

19:43 < fenris02> much easier to follow that way.

19:44 < KatrinaTheLamia> in this case, it was only five lines... and most of the redundant crap was removed.

Translation:

Katrina: I pretty much took two lines of the exact same errors over and over again, and put them after the final output line.

Fenris02: Please, this is my world. We need to follow my rules, whether or not they apply here.

Fenris02: With your large paste, I have issues following its intrinsic structure

Katrina: You... cannot follow five lines?

[...]

19:46 < spoleeba> fenris02, udev rules issue>

19:46 < spoleeba> fenris02, ?

19:46 < fenris02> spoleeba, possibly.  i cant get the facts to find out

Katrina Aside: You are a pretty sharp fellow aren't you. I mean, not somebody that any details get past. No wonder all of my fedora issues have not been due to small quirks or glitches that paying a little attention would fix

[...]

19:50 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, i've told you before, and i will only repeat it this once more.  you are welcome to keep bashing away until you guess upon the solution, or ask and learn.  if you insist on being sarchatic and unfriendly, i'm free to go elsewhere.

[...]

19:51 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, ok.  someone else can help you then.  good luck.

[...]

19:52 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, correct your attitude or go elsewhere.  NOW.

[...]

19:53 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, keep it up and i will also let off some steam ... in your direction.  Now, behave.

-=-

Okay, yes, I did fire stuff off at him. And you know what the correct thing would be here? To have helped the others-- and let that spleeba fellow help.

19:54 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, you are also disrupting everyone else that wants assistance.

Oh, hey, citation needed here:

19:35 < amabo> how might i go about installing gnome 3 with fedora 13?

19:35 < fenris02> amabo, su -c "yum install @gnome-desktop"

9:40 < cpuobsessed> amabo: gnome 3 isn't out yet, you can install what they are calling a preview: gnome-shell

19:40 < amabo> cpuobsessed: do i have to recompile a kernal or anything like that?

19:42 < cpuobsessed> amabo: for gnome-shell? no; it's a part of desktop-effects

19:42 < cpuobsessed> yum install gnome-shell

Summary: somebody wanting to preview software already out.

Status: Solved

[...]

19:30  * Anpan starts to despair

19:31 < Anpan> if things stay like this, i have to go back to windows. And thats what i totally want to avoid.

19:35 < Anpan> So nobody can/wants to help me anymore?

19:36 < fenris02> Anpan, your driver was not found in kmod-staging? you sure?

19:36 < Anpan> fenris02: well, the networkmanager doesn't show any signs of wlan being available

19:37 < fenris02> Anpan, did you install kmod-staging successfully?

19:37 < Anpan> fenris02: yum didn't return any errors, at least.

Summary: Somebody whining. It is attempting to look like asking for help.

Status: undetermined. I got kicked before we could see if she got it online. Her reply may have been delayed due to network shifts.

Help Process: Same status quo, reading from the long list of check list that from the looks of it, Anpan already tried--and did not work.

Chances help would work: little to none.

Likely unless she has a physical agent next to her to allow somebody near by to help her out, she is going back to windows in about six months.

From the looks of it, she will be another user saying Linux is too complicated.

The online help is fine here--but this is the sort of thing somebody physical nearby (that is, somebody real) would be best.

[...]

19:47 < kc8hfi> i copied my old .fdi file from f12 and trying to use it in f13 isn't working quite right.  did something change with the format or something?

Summary: vague summary of a floppy disk image from Fedora 12... tried to use it in Fedora 13.

Status: ignored

Chances to get helped:

Used the .fdi file extension to shorten the fact that I am guessing he used a F12 bootdisk for launching the installer CD. And tried it again for Fedora 13.

This is probably going to through them all through a loop. Chances are they will ask why not boot off of the CD ROM instead of the floppy. Chances are two replies will be made

1) Hardware issues

Likely response) time for an upgrade

2) desire for a network install

Likely response) ignoring them for a more "real" issue.

Proper solution:

• Confirm he is talking talking about a Floppy Image. There may have been an error with guest OSes and is guest OS of Amiga may have been screwed in the upgrade. He may also be using a library to run Amiga programs natively. An upgrade of this level, likely would upgrade this software enough that it may cause issues.
• Reply that the new floppy probably knows to target the newer sections of the CD orDVD media--as well a a better idea of how to grab Fedora 13 as a network install.

[...]

19:53 < Skaperen> last time I tried to use Fedora ... which was a while back (Fedora 9 I think) ... I could not figure this out ... but I'm going to try to set up a machine with Fedora 13 tomorrow ... what I want to do ahead of time is get a list of all packages I could choose to install (and browse through them and make choices ahead of time)

19:53 < fenris02> Skaperen, the install guide is an excellent place to start

19:53 < Skaperen> fenris02: I believe that is what I did last time ... have they added a list of packages now?

19:54 < fenris02> Skaperen, what is it you're looking for specifically?

19:54 < pixinvent> The Fedora 13 DVD lets you specify the packages. It's awesome. I love the minimal install.

Summary: Skaperen trying to install Fedora, like it is Debian or a BSD.

Status: Solved

-=-

19:52 < pixinvent> I LOVE FEDORA

19:52 < pixinvent> I'm just saying.

19:53 < pixinvent> If you have a hard time setting up fedora just do the live CD. It's easy Ubuntu style.

19:54 < Anpan> pixinvent: i doubt that would fix my problem with missing wlan and the keyboard that doesn't work

Summary: Attention Whoring.

Status: Ignored. pixinvent is not ass kissing quite right

Chances to be helped:

Why? I kind of agree with him.

-=-

And thus at the end:

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19:54 < Skaperen> fenris02: a list of packages

19:54 -!- mode/#fedora [+b *!~root13@li130-87.members.linode.com] by fedbot

19:54 -!- KatrinaTheLamia was kicked from #fedora by fedbot [time out]

--- Log closed Wed May 26 19:54:53 2010

So the horrible issue of I got banned from a channel of unhelpful people on the internet.

My response: I bitch about it on a blog that nobody reads or cares about. I mean, most blogs at least have +5 people... I have i5... that is instead of positive five people, or negative five people, I have an imaginary number of viewers.

I think my response is justified.