Pretentious reply answered with pretentious reply

Because these comments are the sort who get deleted right after being posted--due to being hilarious.

Here is two comments from the comments on The Most Transphobic You Will Read This Week. Which I obviously have been working to hold that position for years now.

Catalina Payne ·

Stefanie Daniella

1) being a Transgendered Lesbian with an IQ above the range of what is usually possible to human capabilities, I have learned to understand what is past most people's ability to not have their eyes blur over and just start nodding.

Pretension

Everything you have said is NOT simple English. It is the exact opposite. It is the exact sort of stuff I'd say only if I wanted to come off as a complete, excuse my proper use of simple English here, a "cvnt".

In fact, I doubt you'd recognise simple English, if it wore an Irish football jersey and you agreed to call him "Dad".

2) There is a reason the original bibles were written in Greek (known as a "real language" and hebrew a language that sounds only like "bar bar bar"). Also, considering the Bible was written around 120AD... before that it was merely memetic in its telling for about seven to eight generations of story telling.

Have you ever played the game "grape vine" or "telephone"... EVERYTHING written down in the New Testament is this. Telling yourself otherwise is just silly.

3) Considering Christianity only gained a foot hold, after the traitor Ceasar Constatine saw a comet show, and put a cross onto his shield, and won a battle, then proceeded to kill anybody who questioned his judgement in how he followed the deity... gonna say the Catholic Church had a very rocky start. Especially in that they killed anybody who disagreed on how they followed Yahweh.

This is a bad start... as anything before this is just spinning tires. Having your brakes on can make your time machine make a cool noise... but it does nothing to promote movement.

4) When you either resort to large words to exercise your tongue in hopes it might make another woman think it might do good for diving (it at least would get you to shut up). Your only other option seems to be to insult people... who just do not seem to get you.

You now have somebody, who when tested on what the limits of her intelligence was, all tests came back inconclusive, as the limits did not seem in the intelligent limits of humans, who is telling you, "you sound like an idiot". Those big words confuse me, as largely, they are meaningless, and based on racist research. There only purpose is to make you feel superior, without giving you any call to have earned that feeling. That is the only reason the words you use exist. There is no further meaning behind them.

5) One, I am offended that anybody would use "positive" in any kind of good context. I for one, do not want to be positive of any sense in this rainbow alphabet soup.

I do want to be helpful, and willing to move with the best foot forward. Which tends to put me at odds with members of the community who love to believe "any ol' foot will do, we are the victims here, right?". Especially when my main goal is to try to tell members, "hey, watch where you step?! Just cause bad stuff happened to us, does not make it so we are automatically the good guys here. We may be the tomato in the mirror."

So, yes--I do come across as an enemy of the Rainbow Alphabet Soup communities. Yes, I am what the literal version of a "lesbian in a man's body" is actually a picture off... those douche bags in the bar, you are to ask them when they will be chopping off their bits. No, really--I hate those guys SO MUCH.

There is plenty of good reasons I do not automatically eat up everything the rainbow alphabet soup does because IT IS GAY! IT MUST BE GOOD!

A) Pride Parades made teasing get worse for me as a child. I find it hard to believe how anybody figured parading the worst stereotypes in a single place to celebrate it would STOP teasing. No, it just gave the kids ammo... lots and lots of brightly coloured tights wearing ammo with butterfly wings attached in tightie whities.

B) I came out as transgendered... I got raped by trannies. It was my fault an entire city's transgendered community tore apart: because I did not know what roofies were. Wonderful thing to have on your conscious and try to tell yourself, "this community cannot possibly be silly or wrong."

C) I do not understand how the Vagina Monologues or painting large amounts of pictures of my genitals... or the genitals of anybody else is actually helping. Hell, if there were Penis Monologues, I'd consider them just as retarded... as would anybody with an IQ point average above 50... hell even former President Bush would understand this as not a good idea... and be right.

D) Men are not the cause of the world's problems. Douche Baggery extends all race, creeds, nationalities and ideas of thought. I do love how effective you make this point to all those present, Stefanie. I do not dislike you because you are a lesbian or Catholic. I dislike you because you are honestly, a detestable person. I am fairly certain that there are awesome members of your goals. You are not one of them. Thus I do not respond in a helpful manner when I converse with you.

E) there are many cases and items in the Rainbow Alphabet Soup that are quite honestly horrible ideas. There needs to be people to point out, "you know... this MIGHT be a bad idea"... even if it gets us labeled as transphobic or homophobic. I'd rather be considered intelligent, than an enabler to stupidity.

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In short, you are the sort of feel good twat, who is more interested in how her ovaries feel by moving your tongue back and forth, imagining the feeling you got the first time you had sex that was not in the missionary position for procreation while Jesus watched (to make sure it was done right)... than actually being effective and helping the community. Any element that allows your tongue to waggle, is an excuse for you to claim being helpful.

When it comes down to actually helping the community, I will be ready. In fact, talking with you, has given me a strange urge to wield a spanner. And to learn enough mechanics to obtain a position as a motorcycle mechanic for an alibi... suddenly, this stereotype makes sense. People who think that maybe, if you just make the target get you to shut up and put your lips to a good place, do seem quite present in the Rainbow Alphabet Soup community.. that these other stereotypes are starting to make sense to me now.

Either way: please, please... stop waggling that tongue... nobody wants you to go down on them... they might just tell you to, to get you to shut the fvck up, you stupid vapid tart.

I would ask you grow a brain... but I am not certain stupid could be cured here. Is there a Dr. House nearby? It might be actually be Lupis!

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Catalina Payne

Stefanie Daniella never before has a woman gave me an urge to lumberjack, quite like you have. This is NOT a good thing.

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Now, I would give what I was replying too a chance to be posted here. However, most of my readers are already well beyond their daily recommended of pretentious bitchy ranting by a girl who does not seem to know what "a reality is"... I tried to pace myself for your balanced died. Either way, her posts could be randomly generated. They are mostly standard ones of:

1. No clue what a "paragraph" is... or how it would be used to help convey concepts
2. Excessive uses of ellipses "...". I Know it makes me look all like an 8x10 Tool shed. I do not imagine anybody else thinks it makes them look smart.
3. Those ellipses are three periods and not the proper ellipse symbol as part of ISO standard ASCII, Microsoft ASCII and UTF-8. No idea if it exists in EBCDIC or 7bit Microsoft ASCII (or was 7bit ASCII an ISO standard?)
4. Uses big words that are directly ripped from Third Reich research on how to not have homosexuality show up in Hitler Youth. Yes, before we even had a proper grasp of how Genetics worked, there were attempts to remove the gay gene... this vapid twat is describing herself using terminology from a poor attempt to do Galactica/Galaga/whatever. One we have since learned had nothing correct in how it was done. We now know much better ways to make a master race... this contained no working method to do that.
5. She feels like these words from bad attempts at Galaga (so bad, I think NOT looking up that movie works better for my points) actually convey to people what she is trying to say.
6. She will state that if you do not understand these terms, you are transphobic and homophobic. Never mind, they were created by poor attempts to make a pink triangle never show up (in that these terms apply to stuff that did not even WORK). If you are going to use words based on stuff used to breed out a certain trait... at least base it on stuff that actually functions. Is that too much to ask?
7. She has issues understanding how a language that exists on the British Isles starting around 900CE, might not be what the Bible was written in. That terms like "Heaven", "Hell" and "Saint" (all English words) existed for when the Bible was written. Yes, there are equivalents... but I honestly doubt she has a proper translation of the Bible either (if Jesus walks on Water... you are using the King James shiznit).
8. If I do not agree with her, because she uses big words she does not appear to fully understand... I am apparently transphobic and homophobic.
9. Insists on trying to have every letter in the Rainbow Alphabet Soup in her description of the Rainbow Alphabet Soup community. She cannot be that intelligent.
10. Has issues understanding some basic concepts and ideas in how the history of English literature came about.
11. I would learn Greek to try to counter her--but I prefer to talk like everything I say sounds like "bar bar bar". Which includes stuff that is useful in day to day life, such as German, Spanish, Russian, Mandarin and Sanskrit. I would learn a language designed around the basis of circle jerking and how nobody is as good as the people behind that language... but that spot is already filled by Mandarin... sorry Greek... maybe give me another reason to learn you.

On Over Reacting

It has come to my attention that people tend to see my rants as long amounts of over reacting. Currently, I do not have my actual website up (Currently? Isn't that redundant at this point?). So I will be posting this blog entry here, on Blogger.

I must not concur with the idea I over react... my responses and measures are entirely valid for the position being given.

Let's take the common example of some jack off parking in a handicapped parking zone. The guy is perfectly capable and healthy. No major mental problems or physical problems. He might even be a dry waller. Yet, he parks in the spot, as he cannot be bothered to walk to that spot. Having somebody with motion issues, like a walker, having to walk from the far end of the parking lot.

This is something that I'd like to see sharks involved as the proper level of response. It will take a while, of course--giving him plenty of time to incur many more infractions on my completely proportion vengence's whims. The sharks will need to be conditioned to swimming in salted lemon water. With a fair amount of lemon juice, salt--and maybe mercury content. This will take a little while to accustom the sharks to this kind of living environment.

Once this is set up, the criminal will be fitted in a swimsuit made from poison nettles. Specificially a women's 1800s swimsuit (complete with umbrella) will be fashioned from poison nettles. The criminal will be forced to wear this, no matter what his gender identity was. Then forced to play a few good games of Women's Field Hockey.

Now, if you are not familiar with the sport... it is the most manly sport ever devised, Women's Field Hockey. The sorts to play it, are usually construction workers, lumber jacks, drive big trucks and have an impressive flannel shirt collection. They also are very interested in other women's sexual organs... which again is very manly. The sport is one with more physical contact than ice hockey. There is a point to the game... but it can be hard to decern between the canes, hard rubber ball--and the rough conduct.

Now the women playing this manly sport of violence would best be suited as having their grumpy time. This tends to allow for any injuries of the man to be met with response such as, "look, you want to know pain? Try having a child. Stop whining about your fractured rib cage and sprained waist." Should the criminal be a woman, this little addition may not add quite as much.

During this whole time, the criminal will have Henry Kissinger narrate the whole events, and give his personal commentary on the actions. Margret Atwood will also be instructed to talk about how much she hates men. This usually involves personal antidotes about clothing and previous times with men she has known. True to the Atwood needs, a small microphone will be fitting in the criminal's ears to get most of what Atwood is saying. It will miss bits and pieces and make the voice sound just slightly off. With a slight buzzing the whole time.

Then after the whole game is done, the criminal is to swim with the Salt Lemon Water Mercury Laden Sharks. They will give a few playful nibbles and possibly eat him alive. He is to allow this, as the still talking Henry Kissinger and Margret Atwood will tell him not to bother the sharks as they are endangered species and much more beautiful creatures than the criminal will ever be. Telling them not to eat him, may stress the sharks. They are also lemon scented.

Now, this will seem like hell. As it would have to be. It is more properly called Tartarus. It is not possible for these all to be together, as the sharks are endangered species. Having the Field Hockey game nearby these sharks, and the Atwood involvement would ultimately have PETA and several other animal organisations onto our asses, for some very just worthy causes, due to our improper treatment of the sharks.

This being Tartarus, the criminal will have survived the eating by the sharks, as this fits as his eternal punishment for parking in a handicapped parking zone improperly. This is not an over reaction as after his day is over, he can relax with a nice cup of tea.

Now, had I made him have to get something from Starbucks we are moving into over reacting.

That is, after his day of perfectly acceptable torture for his heinous crimes, he has to go into Starbucks (the only place to get coffee in Tartarus), and order in broken Italian some poorly brewed coffee. The guy would get mild distain, as he cannot understand true coffee, and probably enjoys dish water. Sure the coffee has a few issues. That is because the local roaster is in Seattle, and the roasted beans are shipped to Tartarus from Seattle. The coffee is clearly awesome as you have to order it with very very bad Italian sounding phrases and pay ten dollars for what may possibly qualify as a small--but if you call it that, you cannot get by to get the coffee. If you were to drink the Seattle stuff, it would be too awesome for you to comprehend.

The person seems to hold himself as better than you, as while drinking your over cooked coffee, with old roasted beans, that was made in the morning and has not been changed since this morning, your only entertainment are Joe Biden frames of him eating a sandwich. These frames will be told why they are good, and why they are crap, as only a true connoisseur could tell the quality of them. The criminal will not want to interrupt so as to be seen as rude in such a situation.

In the case the criminal tries to mention what kind of day he has, the person tending the coffee will get irritated, and tell him everybody has horrible days in Tartarus. He spent his entire day trying to get his thick rimmed glasses positioned on his nose right. While listening to music that you might have heard of, and the bands are in danger of showing up on Wikipedia. Having to laud at the fact Tumblr might no longer be obscure. That the criminal's complaints are completely unwarranted--and him paying no mind to what the criminal seems to have had to go through.

This BTW is the punishment for Hipsters... to spend eternity as a Hipster in Tartarus. The rest is not added... it is just them being a Hipster and being tortured forever in Tartarus (you probably do not even know what Tartarus is).

Now adding this Starbucks and not allowing them a nice tea... that is over reacting. I'll thank you to know the difference!

I do not over react in my responses.

Life Sucks

Okay, you know what? FINALLY I got a decent year in my life. A nice year that is a break. I mean, usually I would be glad to live such a year... and it is only August. Yes.. my wonderful year I shall describe to you right now.

First off, new years eve, I get hypothermia. I spent most of the time changing my clothes, taking hot showers, under blankets--with my heater on. I just could not feel warm for about two weeks. My apartment was a steaming sauna, that would choke most people at the time. However, for two weeks, I always felt damned cold. I had no energy. I could barely get up and walk around.

I try to get my ass together on the fifteenth. Try to start work on all that wonderful stuff I wanted to do this year. I did... every now and then. However for those first three months, I felt mostly like crap. No, wait, I have felt like crap--that felt like Nirvana compared to this. I wanted to get moving. I wanted to do stuff. I just did not have the energy to make it possible. I was, well, weak as a kitten for most of it.

To make things worse, on January 26th, I heard a woman screaming bloody murder outside my apartment about some man after her. Nobody was paying any attention to this. I ended up going outside, in my underwear, leggings and a jacket. Wielding a toy pair of nunchucks, hoping it would scare him--or at least have him laughing so hard at how ridiculous it looked, I could get the situation worked out.

I ended up walking around with these people. Doing my best to stay warm--but only barely succeeding. I did my best to resolve the situation... it never was resolved.

I mean, I continued to help people--even though, my Landlord said that he would evict me for wild drug parties after I offered a hungry man some food. He actually said that if I feed this person, it means that he will be evicting me for having wild drug parties.

It was also January, that I fired my mental health staff. As while I would have kept them on--they kind of were pushing to have me on medication, that was killing me. I do not mean in the usual way a mental health patient thinks being normal is death.. or something (I do not understand that thought really)... no, I was experiencing side effects and drug overdose symptoms that make most ER doctors cringe at their descriptions. I was on half my recommended dosage. The doctor said I should still be taking it.

I kind of questioned him. Tried to find out why I had the diagnosis of bipolar. I have been trying to figure that out all of 2009. As it seems each and every one of my more bipolar symptoms have been caused directly by the treatment I was getting for it. I had been off this medication since August 2009. I was not seeing any major mania or depression that was not somehow caused by some other force.

This also means, that I had the mental health worker who was controlling my funds let off as well.

Let us just summarise this persons ability to do their job: They are working for the Provincial Government.

Any time, I had to have a bill paid, food to eat--or general basic necessities. This worker has generally had issues coming through. Every thing I asked this person, would have some screw up made about it. I may as well have my funds to a crack dealer.

When she was fired, she had to transfer various account information, billing addresses and what not.

While I was also still recovering from nearly freezing to death on New Years Eve, I had to go out, and sort out this person's crap. As from my understanding, she really did nothing, except redirect my cheques and bills to an address I have not even lived at for two years, and ended a few programs... and I tended to spend the first half of the year, cleaning up after her big ass dump.

Which would not be as bad, if I had a working fridge. You see, my apartment had a wonderful fridge. It merely kept the food one degree below ambient temperature. Meaning, most of my food, I may as well have left out on the counter. I had tried telling my landlord, to get it fixed. Usually with him ignoring it... until it started to make a grinding noise even he could hear.

What was even better, I had bought a month's worth of groceries, put them into the fridge and freezer. Was told I could not get it fixed for three days. Great--I just wasted a load of money on stuff that goes bad a lot quicker now. Usually I could freeze it in the freezer, and have it rot in two days in the fridge. So between me fixing a lot of screw ups of my Provincial Government Hired financial advisor, and a loss of an entire months food, I am now really screwed up.

The fridge is fixed, and a few days later, I get a strange noise and the smell of burnt rubber. I flip the breaker and phone the landlord. The landlord comes over, I inform him of the strange noise, the burnt rubber smell, and that I flipped the breaker. He immediately goes to the fridge. Says he does not hear a noise. To which I point out the breaker has been flipped. I told him that as he entered.

He then, to dispute the rubber smell, walks over to a frying pan that I had burned something in, trying to claim THAT was the origin of the rubber smell.

"No, I can assure you, that is burned sugar. It smells nothing like burning rubber."

"There are all sorts of strange smells in this kitchen, how can you tell what smells are from where?"

I should have shouted, "IT IS A KITCHEN YOU FOOL! OF SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS HOW TO COOK REAL FOOD! OF COURSE THERE WILL BE ODD SMELLS! IF IS A FVCKING KITCHEN YOU OAF! THAT IS PART OF THE MAGIC THAT IS COOKING SOMETHING OTHER THAN CHEF BOI'R'DEE!"

Instead, I stayed quiet. I got a new fridge about a few days later.

BTW, while I did not have money to get food, I now have a fridge that works. Woohoo! A step fvcking up!

The thing is, I get somebody in to inspect my apartment. I clean it up. I however, get knocked as not up to standards due to three things wrong:

1. I am unable to pull out the fridge and stove, and thus behind them was dirty. I was told they just slide out, even though empirical evidence shows trying to do so, just make me look like an idiot.
2. There was a horrible smell coming from my sink... which I pointed out, had the Landlord did something to fix the plumbing, it would have stopped.
3. I have a fire hazard that is composed of cardboard and old clothing.

I learned that apparently, if I put cloth next to cardboard, the flash point becomes negative five degrees centigrade or some shit, and BOOM! INSTANT FIRE!

The thing is... my landlord is nuts. He appears to hallucinate odd stuff and what not. He has this idea that I run screaming up and down the halls. He complains about noises that are not there. Such as a fan that is never turned on. Or pipes rattling in my walls. Or that my heater is leaking... even though, I do not ever turn my heater on. The only time I did was in January because I kind of nearly froze myself to death.

He then takes these noises to do emergency entrances into my apartment. Which he never reports by the way. So that at the end of June, when I mentioned that he does this, to the people he answers to, I was just told I was hysterical.

Even worse, he got me committed at the end of June, because he reported:

1. Never sleeping (I do not understand why people do not understand that I do sleep)
2. Running up and down the halls screaming
3. Odd noises coming from my apartment at all times
4. Odd chemical smells from my kitchen stove.
5. Stinks coming from my kitchen sink.
6. Wild drug parties
7. Poor personal hygiene
8. Eradicate behaviour
9. Stuff arranged in a fire hazard type way

There was likely why they thought I was smoking meth, when I showed up at the mental hospital. I spent all of two weeks there, as the staff kind of started wondering why I was there. As I was nothing like what I was getting reported on.

GAH! Maybe it is because my landlord makes crap up.

Never mind he spent a large amount of money to gas my apartment for bugs, and REFUSED TO BELIEVE THE PEST CONTROL WORKER WHO SAID THERE WAS NO SIGN OF BUGS EVER IN THE APARTMENT!

GAH!

It gets better. Because I was committed on the time my rent was to be paid, by his own faulty reports. This past August I was asked to appear at some odd place to do a settlement out of court for my inability to pay my rent. The evidence on the charges was poor constructed shullbit. I was also unable to make it there. Which would be fine, if there was some line I could mention that I could not make it.

Nope, no such line existed. I tried phoning the only number they gave. It linked me to a machine, on information on their group.

I mean, now I have to pay for the costs of that being set up (I would have had to anyways), and I have to pay my rent on time, or face immediate eviction. Why?

Well, my apartment is unsanitary. The only reason listed is that it smells bad. Which again, is the landlord's fault, due to a broken fridge that was never fixed. And my plumbing that he refuses to look at. Kindly saying to just clean up my sink, and it will stop spewing up stuff from the drain.

The beautiful thing is: I am the crazy person here. This landlord is somebody that everybody in the building knows he is nuts. He is completely mental. Yet, we are the crazy ones here.

However, when I point out, that I have my own under wear go missing, and woke up in May with a large cum shot on my face... left shoulder and left elbow. And that my building manager is the only other person with keys, and is known to make often emergency entrances for what amounts to really poor excuses. Usually only to have me wake up, to him looking through my laundry pile... well, I am obviously going through a manic episode and should take medication to remove my thoughts of grandiose.

I have a large muscle man, who lives next door, making poor excuses to go through my laundry pile. And I am being told be medicated, because it bothers me!

This is the same person, who sees bugs everywhere, that really do not exist outside his head. Kind of on the level of a recovering heroin addict I know for his reactions to these invisible terror. Hears noises that are not being made. Hears people running up and down the halls screaming. Assumes that if young people are causing issues, that I am, somehow, associated with them, if not the ring leader.

And everybody in the building knows he is fvcking nuts. However, most of these people are also being treated for mental illnesses themselves. So, I am certain, that if they were to complain, they'd get the same results I would. That I am just crazy and hallucinating this crap--and perhaps I should start taking meds for my bipolar.

Essentially, I have learned, that if a girl, complains that a large man is taking underwear from her laundry pile and is worried that the one morning she woke up with a cum shot on her face, this means she needs to medicated for being bipolar.

GAH!

I mean, I also had to deal with a break up with a rather psychotic girl this year as well. As well as the fact my Mom is so psychotic she is now useless as a resource, as well, I have no idea which person I am talking to with Mom. And only some of them remember what I said, or the issues I have had. I have however managed to clear things up with my Dad.

I also got a bed this July. As all of this year, I spent sleeping on the floor.

The thing is: this is the best and least screwed up year I have had in nearly two decades. I mean, the last time I had a year with this little issue I would have had to been ten years old. I mean--seventeen years of screwed up crap--and this one is probably the easiest.

I dunno--I am not looking forward to the Fall. As either things are getting better... or I got a lot of catching up to do, for my relatively easy year.

Either way, I am really wanting to move out, and would love to find a roommate, that I could split the rent on another place I would get.

I mean--I really do not care how psychotic my room mate is anymore. I am certain that as long as he or she is honest in what they are doing, I should have less of an issue with it.

NO! NO! NOT MORE CONFORMITY CRAP AS SUCH!

GAH! Okay--it is VERY rarely that a news story gets me pissed off enough that I am going to use my one tool to STOP PEOPLE BEING WRONG ON THE INTERNETS.

Because if it is one thing we cannot have, it is wrong people on the interwebs.

So, I am just going to unload this onto the the truck of the internet... well no wait--my colleague just said it is closer to a series of tubes.

Anyways--who is wrong today... why none other than the people all in awe of Transsexual Rappers. You know, the Sissy Bouncers.

New York Times Pretends to Cover Sissy Bouncers

Okay, first off: I do not care if you are a Xtain Nazi Midget Newt who is doing the rap. Or if you are gay, trans or what not.

If I enjoy your music, I am (generally) open enough to understand that you might have different views of the world in contrast to mine. Besides, if you are wrong, I do have a blog, which is of course the correct tool to correct wrong people on the Internets. Which is okay. It rarely is something that overly affects your end product. Just look at all the great writers and composers over the years. Some of them were very sick, sick twisted bastards.

Convsersely, I would ask, that if I were transsexual, that simply because you are also transsexual and making this item, not to automatically assume I am going to enjoy or really say anything other than, "that is nice."

Okay--now that this aside... let us go over a few issues.

Why in Eris' prickle orange name would I think Rap is homophobic. Personally I think Eminem is probably one of the most gayest rappers out there. Personally I am waiting for Eminem to appear on the MTV Music awards and do a messy open mouthed kiss with Elton John. After the crap about how too girls trying to kiss on camera--and finding it may not be for them, and was a bit awkward as being "edgy".

That was never edgy. However, I am fairly certain Eminem doing a sloppy open mouth kiss with Elton John would definitely, in my deranged mind, would be edgy.

Though, if Eminem did that, it would still not confirm he is gay to me. As well--his main shtick is, that he is a shock artist that gives the audience what they want. You know, that whole "What you say I am" thing he did on his second LP.

Either way, considering how many groups we have that are your atypical rap group doing the stuff--that is anything that are not white and black people born and raised in suburbia for the most part--having people who are gay, lesbian, bi, /trans.*/, allied or any of the wonderful other labels that make the Pride Rainbow into a wonderful alphabet soup do it really does not seem odd to me.

Now, if we had Molly the Rapping Sheep, THAT would be something I would love to see a news story on.

Okay--next detail... performing at a sports bar.. okay that is... in New Fvcking Orleans?!?!?

I thought that had sunk and was currently next to Atlantis? Dammit! Well Hurricane Season IS coming up again.

Well, lets see, we have some people that are part of the Pride community, performing in probably the most open city in the continent, save for San Franfvckingsisco. I mean, I am fairly certain that if California were to sink into the ocean and New Orleans somehow was high enough above water to still hold a population (maybe set up a glass dome around it? This IS the 21st Century and all--we were suppose to get glass dome cities weren't we?), I am fairly certain no other city could easily compare with New Orleans to hold the role San Fransisco once held.

As well, the glass dome option is not as real of one for San Fransisco, as it requires a form of foundation that is not currently situated on a major fault.

So, okay, we have Sissy Bouncers, performing a genre that already has plenty of atypical entries in it (that is people who have not grown up in suburbia who have some weird sets of delusions about their street cred and make up ridiculous stories about being shot eight times before making it in rap), in the second most open city to their gender and sexual orientations on the continent.

FLAGGED FOR LACK OF FVCKING RELEVANCE!

But no... but no--who gives me this revolutionary news story? Twitters @TGWorldNews

Okay--you know what? This is a typical Web 3.0 thing they do. The comb through twitter, and find all the transgendered stuff people are really loving. Which there are plenty of people who think this is a wonderful concept.

Consider this having me add a Web 3.0 tag to my blog entries. I normally append stuff with "fail" on this subject... but well with Web 3.0's rather revolutionary retarded idea of "the sampling wisdom of crowds", prepending "fail" to Web 3.0 tags would be redundant.

But then, for some reason, I missed out on why one million people are less able to be idiots than one person.

Damn it! Handle Store Owners Better

Gah!

This is why people follow you around as trouble makers in stores. YOU CONFIRM IT TO THEM!

Okay, I have two friends, who generally have people following them around like trouble makers. Which okay--I have never really seen them get into trouble. Usually the store owners will peg them as trouble makers right away. Which, you know--generally store owners come up to me, usually at first, like I am a huge ass trouble maker.

However, I react a lot differently from these two. One will just sneer and get ticked off--generally act all irritated with the store owner.

The other will react right away. Start screaming her head off. She is not a trouble maker and all that other stuff. Not only that, but the store is some kind of "insert derogatory term". Be it prep, or nigger, or coon, or kyke or wop--or... I mean... okay... I think you just justified his watching you in the store.

I mean--just looking at how differently I handle these people working in the stores in comparison to these two... no fvcking wonder they get watched and I generally get along with the people.

Okay, my tips for not getting bitched out by people--and getting extra in stores.

TIP THE WORKER

Typically, even if the service is lousy, if it is an option, give the person a tip of some kind. Even after the first tip, you will notice the service going up quite a bit. As the service goes up, increase how much you tip.

The beautiful thing is--people working at these places generally keep track of who tips the best. Generally giving them better service than the people that do not tip.

Heck, I have ordered a Pizza that was suppose to take fourty five minutes to get to my place, but because I was known to be the kind to tip, I got it in 25 minutes. I of course gave him a better tip--as he pretty much got there in half the time I expected.

The person in the store or restaurant is a person.

Treat them as such. Chat them up. Ask them about what kind of day it has been so far. Treat them nicely--if possible. If you do not have something you should, or you move too slowly, apologise. Thank them. Be polite. More and all, even if it is some fifteen year old working at a till in a McDonald's, they are still a person--and deserve your respect.

If they are irritated, just assume it has been a bad day, and they have had to deal with fvckwads for customers for most of it. Be nice to them, apologise--generally state wishes that there day gets better.

Heck, defend them from other bitchy customers. You will usually be able to spot which ones are generally just whiners. Since you are also a customer, call the other customer on it. As generally these people bitching and moaning tend to make things go slower. Very rarely do they have a legitimate excuse and typically it was there own mess that they are blaming the worker on.

For example, one person, taking a cab, parked the cab, outside a restaurant, then went in--ordered his stuff. Then starts complaining because the people in the drive thru got a higher priority in getting the food. Generally complaining about how his required payment on his cab, that he went into the restaurant for, is going way to far up--because the drive thru had higher priority.

Ask the worker for their recommendations

The person working there has it as their job to be near this stuff all day long. Ask what they'd recommend today. If you are having issues getting a third item on the menu, or some in store item they'd recommend--just ask them about that stuff. Typically you must be ready to buy this stuff too.

Do not talk to the store worker, unless you are certain you can make a purchase.

Yeah, this appears to be something that should be obvious. If you do not have the money to buy something, do not go up to the counter and ask where all the fancy crap is. I mean, okay, I have not worked much for retail jobs (none really), but even I can understand that this would be something that a retail store owner would get so bloody damned annoyed over.

I mean, I really do not get why robotic store attendants are not so popular. I mean, apparently people just like being asses to teenagers and old people working at these places.

Fvcking Birthdays >.>'

Bloody hell--I am off with a friend who keeps insisting on window shopping with him for his birthday. Not something I really want to do. As I see the situation as, "I am not likely to be able to afford most of this he is wanting. Neither can his girlfriend... and definitely not him"

Me, and his girlfriend are the only one with an income. He manages to drag us out--and into a few stores. Picking up every such thing on the shelves... and asking the people at the till if they have a copy of the games he wants.

Okay--clearly he is very excited. He turns 26 at the end of July.

Meanwhile, I am just groaning. He is acting like he has all sorts of stuff coming his bloody way. Where the hell is this coming from?

He keeps talking about all this stuff that is coming in. I am just smiling and nodding. Because if I tell him, not to count on this stuff, he is going to get all defensive about how these are sure things. Even though, after nearly every bloody one of them, he says, "maybe he can get me this--perhaps that. I can pull some strings."

Okay--you know what? How the hell does he even think he can even get a decent birthday?

Then--it hit me. The last decent party, that I had people show up and I had fun, that I have ever had, was when I was eight years old.

Every time after that--nobody really ever showed up. Mind you, my birthday IS on Labour Day weekend. Or all that I could get managed was just some crapping sit in at a restaurant I could go to anyways.

For a little while, I tried bolstering interest, by talking about it a few months prior.

I have just kind of came to terms, that my birthday is just another fvcking day. I mean,there have been times that I have been reminding my mom for a month prior--then she comes up when it is nearly Octobre, telling me that she forgot.

I have had to share my birthday a few times with my brother who was born on the twentieth... over four years and two weeks after mine.

Then--every now and again, I will get my mom bothering me about what I want... on something that has became pretty much just another day. Why the hell would I expect to get something special on a Sunday? Why the hell is my birthday any different?

But no, and then she does the sad but irritated act like, "people do not know what to get you."

I have kind of just stopped saying anything  about this day--because you know what? It is obvious nobody cares. Pretty much every birthday party since I was eight has been the most sorriest flop of an excuse I have ever seen.

Which okay--maybe everybody else's birthday's suck? Or at least that is how I understand it.

Seeing as how I am never really ever invited to them.

I mean, I do have a few friends... but it is always, "oh, I get you just fine--but none of my other friends would really get it. There would be drama and--"

"--I am just your dirty little secret. You are ashamed to know me."

"No, no--I think you are wonderful it is just my friends would not get you."

When I have pretty much learned that formula completely--and this is not a person I am getting sex from... or really see that interested in having sex--it kind of makes me just put this sort of stuff in the corner of my mind of Schroedinger's cat.

Schroedinger's Fvcking Sweet Kick Ass Party.

It both exists--and does not exist. Trying to see if it does exist changes the situation you are trying to measure.

What is there to get? I am a psychotic bitch. Okay yes--I get that... how do others not get it?

Then we have ass hat here, going on about how he is going to get all of this. Get all of that. I am just standing there, going "really--you really think your birthday is going to be all that and a bag of potato chips."

Then, I realised--it probably is.


You know--I really doubt i am going to be dating anybody soon. So many bloody self esteem issues, self image issues and all that to really work out. Yet, people keep saying, "you need to get laid."

Fvck--not going to happen any time soon--not with a person as damaged as I am. There are better people to hook up with.

Just smile and nod--just smile and nod.

Well, now to post more pictures of myself, in hopes that somebody has the good sense not to bullshit me, and tell me how fugly I am.

Oooh... fun with scams

Okay--so... I get phoned... out of the blue. Apparently somebody wanted to offer me a free Solo Bell Cell Phone. Not certain if it was legit, and figuring it was mostly a scam, I bite. That is, until there was an sensitive data that would need to be released.

Now, the signal on the other end was... horrible. There was sound artifacts, there was compression quirbles--it was a bad signal. Maybe my phone was just dying--I doubted it... but well, maybe it was.

They gave a really really long list of features that the free phone, with no activation fee, no shipping and handling would have--should I pay a monthly fee of thirty Canadian Dollars.

Now, okay--maybe I can have good things. I figured, lets just see where this goes. He tells me, that his supervisor would have to get to me--so just wait five minutes until he phones back.

Kind of funny behaviour from a Telco like Solo Mobility? One under that whole Bell Umbrella. Yes, I have had issues with them in the past... but this is on the same level as "Uncle Pete's Backshed Telecommunications".

So, I pretty much get phoned back right after the whole hang up. I barely had put the phone down.

I give them my name "Kat Payne" and my home address... and yes, this phone is a good way to get a hold of me.

Then they needed one more thing... my Social Insurance Number.

I answered that I was not prepared to give that over the phone.

He assured me that it was a secure connection, and that my SIN would be used to generate my unique account id--we will not go into everything that is wrong with that...

I told him, that I only had his word for that.

"But Bell would never do that sort of thing to their customers."

"I only have your word that you are from Bell."

He gave me a toll free number, that he said would say he is from Bell.

I followed this number with a reverse look up... to find out it was owned by Paetec. Any further look ups do not show much of any affiliation with Bell.

BTW, when given silly numbers like that, I suggest doing a reverse lookup on them, before going further.

I mean, okay--had his scam been well polished enough... I would have bitten. I would have... but in this case, the issues were:

• Compression issues in the phone calls. It was like listening to a 68KBPS MP3 that had been put onto vinyl. There was also a fair amount of background noise. Sounded like he was doing this on a pay phone really. Do a better sounding phone call, and cut out that background crap.
• The prompt contact by the busy supervisor. There are a lot of people that a free phone would be nice to give to, and he did say he was busy--seriously... fifteen minutes would be a standard minimum wait, I'd think.
• The lack of hold. That I could not be put onto hold, while his supervisor was contacted. Waiting on hold for fifteen minutes would have made me a lot more convinced.
• The fact that on the look up of his "Official Bell Agent Number" it did not list itself as being affiliated in anyway with Bell Canada. Further more, it was a number from a US Asterisk company. Had his number been registered as something that looked like it was Bell Canada, I would have been inclined to bite even more so.

If these details would have been removed, without any others, I probably would have bought into it.

Come on people--put some effort into these scams! You are better than this!

(Possibly backhanded) apology to the users of #Fedora of Freenode

*sighs*

Okay, I am going to apologise to the channel of #fedora on FreeNode. Sorry, it is not your fault that fenris02 is a complete and total arrogant prick.

I did get my current scanner issues solved (tendatively). Somebody started to help me go through and find where the udev and hal entries. This person (I apologise that I cannot remember that user's name) was generally very helpful, in helping me find my problem.

We found that the problem is one along the lines of "it works the same as it always has.". IE: The reason my scanner does not work is due to "Bit rot" sort of reasons.

I mean, the solution is not "Katrina is an idiot" so much as "Katrina is running an insanely ancient distribution of Fedora"

So, going in for a reinstall. As /boot is only 200MiB in size. Fedora 12 and Fedora 13 both require /boot to be 512MiB. I probably will have that partition be about 1024MiB though.

Now, I probably would not be as irritated with fenris02, still, if he was not peppering comments of "just because you are too stupid to understand my help--does not mean it is not brilliant."

He now exists in my head, as "fuckers who think that something is clever, based on how little it is understood". Noting that I know of two types of humans, "people" and "fuckers". I care about people. Fuckers are just another set of statistics.

First off, from a few of the other blog entries here, and links to my GitHub account you have likely seen, there is a chance, that maybe, just maybe, I am not completely new to computers. Yes, I understand that there is worlds of knowledge that I do not know of. However, his constant calling me an idiot, and talking to me like a Dalnet user, gets grating.

Personally, I have this rather silly notion, or idea, that if you require jargon to explain something. That is, another language that is only English in that English is a Pidgin language of sorts, then, this something is completely useless.

If I cannot pitch some concept, no matter how technical, so that your average Joe can comprehend what is going on (maybe not at that high of level, but he can still get it), then I do not think the idea is really worth saying it is good. I will also say, that if I cannot explain it in simple standard English, then I fail to understand it, as much as the layman.

Not to say that any idea if explained in English means I understand it, though. I mean, all dobbermens are dogs, but not all dogs are dobbermens.

This is well--mostly due to a lot of influence from my Father. My father is of the opinion, you cannot understand something, if you cannot explain it, or present it in some form. He also gave me the knowledge that no matter how brilliant an idea, if it stays in your head--and is not given any sort of form, either by descriptions or proof of concept, then the idea, for all purposes of the word, does not exist.

My father, is also a fairly skilled technician that the only reason he does not have an engineer's degree is because of his extreme disdain for engineers. So, his set of opinions makes sense.

It really does not help, that the largest handitards on the planet, generally tend to be all about how intelligent they are. Usually screaming out about how much smarter you are than somebody the more likely I am going to think you are excessively retarded. Especially if you start waving around positions and papers you have.

Respect is earned by your interactions with people. Not demanded by positions of power or claims of knowledge.

Gah! Why are Pogeymanz fans so bloody silly?! Gen V speculation rant

Please--some speculation is fine really, it is. However, if you are going to speculate, please take into account previous events in the series.

First off, the starters.

Okay, I am fine with people disliking certain generations of starters. People have been hating the various starterssince about Gen III. I do not have a problem with it. Saying that you hate all of the starters of a certain generation.

Just keep on that attitude. I tend to see a fair amount of "well, I liked the Gen III starters--I mean, they had flavour and various elements to them that war me up. However, I absolutely hate the Gen V starters. I mean, look at that complete rip off of squirtle and piplup."

Okay--you have the memory of a gnat. As typically you just go back a few years, and see either, they were not around for the Gen III stuff... OR, they hated the crap out of the starters. Saying silly things like how much Mudkipz will suck. Or laughing at the flaming chicken. That Gecko thing? Horrid.

Then Gen IV comes. Everybody hates those starters. Turtwig? When it came out, you were hating it. Chimchar? Oh great, another fire fighting. And a flaming monkey to boot. Those cads at Nintendo! I mean, what is their problem! Well, at least Piplup looks good. I mean, the others completely suck, and will never be used. Ever. No way that I can see them ever being used.

Now, we get to Gen V. You'd think we'd know better than to bitch about the starters this time around. I mean, we can get a jolly laugh at how wrong we were with Gen III and Gen IV--and look at these pictures, and speculate in positive ways.

Then, we get people ripping on the water starter. Okay--do they have a valid argument? It is a rip off of Squirtle and Piplup you say?

This, I really do not follow--one bit.

Maybe it is because I have some amount of knowledge of various biologically real animals in our world. Not a lot. There are tons of gaps in my knowledge. I am just wondering how a flippin' Sea Otter gets mistaken for a Turtle or a Penguin. Perhaps explain this to me?

I mean--no, I get it, the water types are much easier to base on animals in real life. Hence why they seem similar. As most of these are based on adaptions to living in water.

I mean, we have various wonderful creatures in our oceans here, that have adapted a lot of ways to live. Yes, some of them are similar--which would make Manaphy and Phione a complete rip off of Tentacool and Tentacruel in that sense. However, in comparison to say, the fire types. There are much less for creatures that live in a constant state of being on fire.

Yes, we have Slugma and Macargo. The only other two IRL creatures that spend a notable time on fire, are Buddhist monks and Poltergeist. Though, if we were to base a Buddhist Monk on Fire/Psychic, we'd have a lot of people referring to the resulting monster as "Carrie"--and trying for a female one.

Poltergeist is a hard one, as it kind of requires a psychic nearby. As typically, following cryptozoology, Poltergeist are not creatures--so much as the psionic abstraction of a really stressed out teenage girl. Be them apparently female, or a variant of MtF. I dunno--that would be fun to see a Shedinja style evolution here. Possibly with a six Pokemon appearing in your party of Fire/Ghost, if you have your Fire/Psychic Pokemon get sufficiently ticked off with you.

Okay, so due to the sheer lack of IRL creatures that are in reality on fire at any notable amount of time, they are kind of forced to get creative here. He have creatures that are based on various mytholigcal creatures normally to deal with fire. Such as Salamander (Charmander), Hedgehog (cyndaquil), Chicken??? (Torchic) and a Monkey. Personally, I like the idea of the last two. A six foot kick boxing chicken and a flaming monkey ARE fairly nice to stand next to.

Personally, I tend to breed my flaming kick boxing chicken in with my flaming monkey producing the following movset:

• Fire Punch
• Focus Energy
• Blaze Kick
• Double Kick

but, mostly because I really do not like the U-turn/Close Combat combo. Just personal preference here. That is my only issue with it, really.

I mean, now because we do not have animals constantly on fire, save some slugs, poltergeist (paranormal), and Buddhist monks, in comparison to a large amount of creatures that live in THE FRAKING WATER we have complaints on water types.

I really do not get how a sea otter is a ripoff of a turtle or a penguin. I do not think I will ever know.

I mean--bitching and moaning about the starters just gets a little annoying after a while. Especially when the people doing it know they are fully justified. Only to have them go back to liking them, once we get to Gen VI or Gen VII. You just know that these are the same people that will realise how wrong they are.

Next, we get into seeing the legendaries. You know what? They are legendaries. I do not give a flying crap about them. Want to know why?

Arceus is Zubat.

Hear me out here. Remember Mewtwo? A Pokemon that made use of Mew, to be compatible enough to graft all the DNA of the strongest Pokemon in the world. To make Mewtwo the greatest fighter ever conceived? Do you remember this idea that he was engineered to be God amongst Pokemon.

These are the same creatures that blink, and entire cities are in ruin.

Now, fast forward to Gen IV and Gen III. Mewtwo, while in an upper tier, generally is nothing that special. He will get his ass kicked by plenty of other legendaries just fine. Which, in my opinion, justifies his angsty state. As he was essentially made to suck sort of thing. Heck, two nonlegends are easily capable of taking him on to the point of "you mah hoe!" status, those being Wobbuffet and Garchomp.

The idea of being the bottom to Wobbuffet scares me more than being married to Bubba in prison, just to let you know. And to Mewtwo, I can understand the horror that this analogy demonstrates.

By the time, Gen VI or Gen VII comes around. Arceus will be Zubat.

So, really, the Legendaries do not interest me. what does?

Well, I really like Red Chocobo's and Zorak's additions to the world of Pokemon:

Let's Play Pokemon Emerald

Let's Play Pokemon Crystal

Let's Play Pokemon Quartz

Let's Play Pokemon Fire Red

From what I have seen of Red Chocobo's take on Platinum, it is pretty awesome as well.

If anything, it is more the society, culture and the people. The world that exists in here. The folklore. The local customs. How things work and operate in this world. The flora, the fauna--the normal things.

I find the common Pokemon more interesting that the legendaries. As to me, they are more real. The legendaries do have some form--but they really are not a major or real part of people's day to day lives.

Possibly with me MSTing the whole thing as I go through it. I have been known to scream at the Tv while playing Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness.

I also have been noted, that if I were to design a game, I would most likely end with something on par with a Super Mario World: Kaizo difficultly level.

And--oh dear... we have Shippings starting on.. the.. characters... we only have two sketches of the characters... and people are already trying to name the shipping that they will have.

Okay, you know what? I am just going to leave this alone. As, I have never really understood the idea of shippings. I somehow watched Sailor Moon, during its original North American Tv Airing in the mid-1990s, and got through it, without bothering to really care about who ends up with who.

This concept personally troubles me.

As well--a few years later, in the Sonic Archie comics, I was fully supporting of Julie Sue and Knuckles getting together, and pointing to the idea of Sally Acorn and Sonic getting together.

Yeah, I am one of those silly Sonic fans. This is why when people try to tell me I am smart, I point out that people tell that drooling guy over there eating crayons and talking about his birthday party how people tell him that he is smart and can do anything if he tries.

Now excuse me--I am not entirely certain my vacant drooling form is quite at the right level to get phrase of "you are sooooo special and smart!". Any recommendations of colours of crayons to eat to get this status? I hear that yellow is particularly good. Purple, not so much. Yes, Purple has one of the most not worthy tastes--but itis not good to promote drooling. It really does not build the brain enough to allow for people talk about extravagant galas at Chuck E. Cheese's in Hawaii either. I mean, the more the mentally retarded kids talk about that stuff, the more their care taker tells them, "oh, you are sooooo smart. You can do anything!"

So, yes, I guess, being a Sonic fan, could put me in a similar "very special and intelligent" level of regarding.

I mean, the only shippings I can ever think I have ever done (or even remotely cared about) were to deal with Sonic the Hedgehog at the age of fifteen or sixteen.

So quite clearly, I am not at the sage enough level to understand these concepts or ideas. I know they are there. However, much like most people can turn on a Tv, without noting how Liquid Crystal Displays or Cathode Ray Tubes operate, I will note that they are part of my world, even if I cannot understand their inner workings. This also means, I will not poke around with their insides. Like most people should probably not be poking around in a Television set.

Why do I even bother?

I mean, these are the same fans that refer to moves as "OMG HAX!" (which is on the level, in my mind, with people saying that stuff in CounterStrike). They call game modifications "Game Hacks"--which would make CounterStrike a Halflife "Hack" in comparison. As most of what they are doing with Pokemon Games are the same stuff that was done on DOOM I and DOOM II to allow for FPS modifications. Also similar stuff was done on games like X-Com, various D&D RPG Systems and Fallout, to make modifications in Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3 seem to be common place.

However, it is not like these are not educated people here. I mean, look at their tools. Done in... Visual Basic 5 and Java. The Java one (shoddy) is done by somebody, who in my only real conversation with him, claimed to attend the University of Alberta. When questioned the location of the Sciences Campus, he did not seem to understand that various UoA Campuses are scattered all over Alberta. With the Sciences Campus being located in Camrose, a small city south east of Edmonton with no major transport to and from Edmonton. He kept saying I was weird, for the suggestions that all the campuses were not in one spot--and chiding me for going to the lesser NAIT--and Institute of Technology.

These same highly educated people, who do not release their source to a buggy Visual Basic 5 application, because they do not want people to steal their code.

When it IS Open Source, they do silly things, like hard coding various numbers into them. Like the RNG reporter that has an entire section that generates a small in memory database as something to be compiled into the resulting binary. Rather than say, maybe making a database that could be customised.

It is irritating to see various best practices, such as MVC, modular coding, scripting and large amounts of stuff in PEP-8 not in anyway present in these.

And I have no issue with running something for the JVM. Go crazy. The JVM is actually surprisingly well designed. The language Java, however, is not. If you ARE going to work with the JVM, allowing your software to enter into enterprise areas, I would suggest going with Clojure or JRuby. If Jython was not still based on python version 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, apparently 2.5 (for reference the current stable of Python is 2.6, and testing is 2.7 and 3.0). I would also suggest that. And if that coder who promised to release Jerl 6 would do her job...

I mean, you know what? Maybe, I am not the only one crazy enough to suggest a C based framework to do a set of libraries for Pokemon applications. Be them to modify games, simulate or just be elaborate calculators? C based frameworks that follow a large amount of those books on programming theory made in the 1970s. Which suck. of course. I mean, how could they know about efficient code? I mean, they STILL were working within 64KiB of RAM. Computers were the sizes of small houses. Efficiency in software obviously was not something they knew at all. I mean, today, we are totally better. I mean, my program can totally run in 4GiB of RAM, with a 1TiB Harddrive--why am I suggesting it is bad, that we should require this, for something that this could be done on your old 486 with only 16MiB of RAM. Can't I tell that we are doing so much more with our processors today? er--going off on another rant here.

Evidentially, I am not eating enough paint chips to understand these people's really intelligent ideas.

Also, I apologise for the links to wikipedia here. Most of those however, are just for general knowledge of the subject. There are generally better ways to look into the subject-based on your Operating System of choice.

Suddenly... life starts making sense.

Right... in the after math of: I Just Talk Too Much.

[14:21:09] <hil0> you can't diss someone for not dropping stuff
[14:21:19] <hil0> and then diss this person again when he/she tries
[14:21:31] <hil0> that's just not fair. in any way.
[14:21:42] <kusuriya> you can :P i do it a lot, you keep dissing them in an effort to get them to learn to drop things quick
[14:21:43] <kusuriya> IMO
[14:21:58] <hil0> ...what a backwards way of thinking
[14:22:07] <kusuriya> it works for most normal people
[14:22:10] <hil0> then you get no appreciation for trying to change your ways O_o< [14:22:15] <kusuriya> its how i learned to drop things quick
[14:22:26] <hil0> ...and since when is dake "a normal person"?
[14:22:34] <kusuriya> this is also true
[14:22:36] <hil0> I dun think that will work on her
[14:22:42] <hil0> I think she's like me
[14:22:49] <kusuriya> it may not
[14:22:52] <hil0> needs shown appreciation to keep wanting to change
[14:22:58] <hil0> if that would happen to me
[14:23:10] <kusuriya> but eventually it will piss her off enough that she just wont try to do arguments with any of us :P

Actually no... when I get pissed off, the last thing I am going to do is shut up. No--then it just has me yell at you just a little bit more... possibly moving to violence.

Sigh--this reminds me of High School... well, my High School life before Columbine happened. I will note that all the other students kind of stopped teasing me so much AFTER Columbine... they kind of started being nice to me.

Which kind of says something, when other kids are scared I will shoot them the fuck up, when our school, at the time, was on a Military Base, with the Military Police Station just a few blocks away.

[14:23:22] <kusuriya> me
[14:23:26] <kusuriya> ive personally just given up
[14:23:29] <hil0> I would just say "fuck it people don't care if I try and change or not, obviously, they just like to harass me for being this way and it will never change no matter what"

Oh, hey... look at that... I have entire blog where I bitch and scream about that sort of crap. Funny story that too.

[14:23:36] <kusuriya> if i dont have to say anything i just ignore her
[14:23:51] <hil0> and then I would stop trying.
[14:24:05] <kusuriya> then everyone just harasses you more every time you do it
[14:24:12] <kusuriya> its peer pressure thats how it works

Uh-Kusu... perhaps... maybe.. no.. yes! Let us go with the idea that this is a hypothesis on this here.

First off, some of you may not understand what the fuck kusu is thinking here. Lets give a little setting shall we:

This crap is happening in an irc channel named #rantradio on FreeNode. This is an irc network for Rant Media, whose front man has is known for screaming his head off on various topics of varying importance.

Okay--okay... let us go over how what kusu said here is possibly the most mentally retarded thing I have ever considered.

Gay people.

Those damned gay people. I mean--if peer pressure worked, there would be none of those damned gay people walking around. Or transsexuals. Women would still be chained to the stove, popping out babies every nine months. Black people would still be picking cotton and saying "yesa massah!".

I mean, I grew up in a very conservative small oil town in Alberta, Canada. Which for those of you not aware of what that is like--it is like growing up in a small town in Texas... except a lot more conservative and closed minded.

Yet--I still have my own opinions on various subjects that kind of make the idea of Peer Pressure seem bloody retarded.

So--why does this work on some people, and not others? Well, going with the Jung Typology tests, you get people like us. The ENFP.

And you know what? Only about two or three percent of the people are ENFP.

There you go, Kusu--you appear just like the rest of the population. You are a very special creature humans. I mean--that is what I will define humans as: Very Special.

Edit: apparently editing posts on this site which contain angle braces confused the crap out of it.

Fucking Gay Ass Stigma

Okay--the Stigma on the Gay community is still there. You would think that people would respond to Gay Pride with something like Breathing Oxygen Pride really. It is a rather normal concept (to me anyways) for somebody to like something different that somebody else does not like. Well-except Mikie... he will like everything (and confusing pop culture reference in place).

It is annoying really.

I point out that Adam Sandler's movie I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry was oddly well researched. In that it seemed to include a lot of elements from the pride communities. Rather than just being like watching Zoolander.

Compare to Adam Sandler's other concepts:

Billy Madison: no research put into this. Mostly just Adam Sandler looking like an idiot on camera.

Happy Gilmour: about the only information on Golf is the same that could be gained from watching tv for five minutes... maybe driving past the Golf Course.

Little Nicki: Mostly just a large amounts of jokes on popular culture's image of what the son of the devil would be. Not that there is much of a subject to research really, so much as a few vague ideas in pop culture to mock.

Then we get to Chuck and Larry. This movie quotes various anthropological texts on animal habits, it quotes legal statutes in place, it shows a large amount of clues as to inside information on the Gay community. I mean--yes, we frown on that large guy in pink dancing around as a butterfly--but he does appear in real life... way too often. We have the large black guy that people think is tough just because he is big enough to kick people's ass. But turns out being the kind that looks like Tarzan, but talks like Jane.

I mean--I was personally expecting this to be another Zoolander myself. However when I comment that this movie is not, but instead looks like Adam Sandler is possibly entering into more serious cinema... I get:

"Are you suggesting Adam Sandler is gay?"

Okay--let us step back for a bit... just step back here.

Let us go with the idea that perhaps maybe if the movie had been a comparatively more seriously research light comedy on origami or stamp collecting, if anybody would care here.

Had Adam Sandler's first sorie into more dramatic works had been about Bass Fishing maybe, would people respond when you remark that it seemed different from what you expect of him?

No, the guy is a fucking actor. I mean, if Carrot Top did a move like this, it would seem weird. If Ben Stiller did that too, it would get the same response.

I mean, the only reason that Jim Carrey did not get this for the Truman Show was well--he was trying to move outside of Comedy.

Wait? Jim Carrey's first move from Comedy was the Truman Show... what am I suggesting here? That Jim Carrey has spent all of his life, being tricked into living in a 24/7 reality Tv show where he was living an old sit com?

Clearly, if by suggesting that Adam Sandler is gay by remarking that Chuck and Larry was not another Zoolander like I was expect (and I expect many others too)--then clearly, this law applies to Jim Carrey being an unaware sitcom Tv subject.

Gah! Stupid idiots!

I just talk way too much

Discussion leading up to the situation

23:04 <+Jibkat> http://cdn.betacie.com/fmylife/data/en/illust/u4.png

23:05 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Jibkat: yeah... the proper term is mechanophile...
23:05 <+KatrinaTheLamia> wait... Jibkat... you... you are not a mechanophile are you?
23:06 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Screw it--we are not leaving Jibkat alone with any motorised vehilces ever again.
23:06 <+Trinity> yeah we are, it's his dick that he's fucking up
23:06 <+Trinity> it'll be flat by the time he's done
23:07 <+Jibkat> You know
23:07 <+Trinity> ?
23:07 <+Trinity> don't be mad jib
23:07 <+Jibkat> All this shit talk that Katrina is doing is againt the rules of the chat
23:07 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Trinity: well, I suppose what a consenting adult, and his chevy convertable do int the privacy of their own home is completley their own
                         business.
23:07 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Jibbers: which rules are those?
23:07 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Jibkat: I mean, if I am breaking a rule, you need to cite it.
23:08 <+Jibkat> When somone has you on ignore, your not suppost to be trying to get people to say the shit your saying
23:08 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Citation needed
23:08 <+Trinity> jib: we've all broken the rules of the chat just today
23:08 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Jibkat: who says I am trying it.
23:08 < Kabiri_Jester> eh?.. Citation?
23:08  * Trinity is confused
23:08 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Jibkat: I am just talking, and people seem to be enjoying it.

The incident:


23:09 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Trinity: yeah--jibbers has me on ignore
23:09 <+Jibkat> Trin, I have the fucker on ignore
23:09 <+Trinity> Katrina: no, we are just bored ;)
23:09 <+Jibkat> With his constant furry love shit
23:09 <+Trinity> oh okay
23:09 <+Jibkat> So his tricking you to post stuff he says
23:09 <+Illuminaughty> lol
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23:09 < Kabiri_Jester> I have a solution, Log into SL and listen to the show
23:09 <+Jibkat> Hey Cappy
23:09 <+KatrinaTheLamia> jibbers: no, I am not doing any kind of tricking anybody.
23:10 <+Trinity> well SEE, now i'm put in a position...O.o
23:10 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Jibkat: if people are posting stuff I say, it is without any suggestion of my own part.
23:10 <+kusuriya> Trinity: its better to just let it slide and dont include jibbles in it he ingores KatrinaTheLamia for his own reasons
23:10 <+Trinity> yeah that's understandable
23:11 < Kabiri_Jester> I have a better solution;
23:11 <+kusuriya> ignores even
23:11 < Kabiri_Jester> Drop the enitre topic all together
23:11 < Kabiri_Jester> T%alk about the Kunfu bear
23:11 <+kusuriya> yes
23:11 <+KatrinaTheLamia> Trin: IO think the reason he is so frustrated by me, is because he likes me, but cannot admit it.
23:11 <+Trinity> I can admit that I didnt know about the ignore, but ANYWAY let's stop bitching about the fucking ignoring people bullshit and go on with regular
                 convos
23:11 <+Jibkat> What is Kunfu beer and how can I get it
23:11 <+KatrinaTheLamia> there we go!
23:11 <+Trinity> Katrina: drop it
23:11 -!- tomzombie [~tomzombie@74-140-207-200.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: The cake is not the only lie]
23:12 <+Jibkat> Trin, its pointless
23:12 <+Jibkat> Just ignore him and move on with your life
23:12 <+Jibkat> ^_^
23:12 <+kusuriya> Trinity: just ignore it and she will drop it she doesnt take commands well
23:12 < Kabiri_Jester> Jibkat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ptYTGTNiyQ
23:12 <+KatrinaTheLamia> drop what?

23:12 <+Trinity> the subject Katrina
23:12 <+KatrinaTheLamia> which subject?
23:12 <+Jibkat> NO, I WANT KUNFU BEER
23:12 <+KatrinaTheLamia> I was talking about Kung fu bear
23:12 <+KatrinaTheLamia> 23:11 <+Jibkat> What is Kunfu beer and how can I get it
23:12 <+KatrinaTheLamia> 23:11 <+KatrinaTheLamia> there we go!
23:13 -!- nimbius [~cicero@71-37-199-174.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
23:13 <+KatrinaTheLamia> ^^ that is not dropping it?
23:13 <+Trinity> Katrina....you're kinda being annoying now
23:13 < Kabiri_Jester> Their was once a wise person who said, "The difference between "Commands" and suggestions, is all in ones perception of self vs. Ego of self
                       worth." I suggest,.. you percieve a better direction and focus of jabing at someone else... Liek me,.. I a way more entertaining target
23:13 <+Trinity> I feel like I'm talking to my son having to repeat myself
23:14 <+KatrinaTheLamia> fuck it-I can say "move on please" a thousand times, and people will still think I am causing trouble.
23:14 <+Trinity> lol Kabiri ;)
23:14 <+KatrinaTheLamia> .ne growls
23:14  * Jibkat meows
23:14 <+KatrinaTheLamia> anyways... Kung fu bear?
23:14 < Kabiri_Jester> Poke fun at the Jester,... its way more entertaining,.. and probably wont get you banned,.. because I like being made fun of. =^_^=

23:14 <+kusuriya> Kabiri_Jester: i agree but im not going to hit hat hive :)
23:15 <+KatrinaTheLamia> I was agreeing with that topic chamnge/
23:15 < Kabiri_Jester> wise idea

I just cannot shut up or change topics. No--I am just stuck in a bloody rut in an argument. Not moving on to a new subject.

You know--this situation has occurred way too many times.

Could somebody please tell me how to drop a subject,

As apparently I have no idea on it.

I thought I was attempting to drop the subject here--but I am apparently mistake. Perhaps something should be put here.

This happens often enough that, clearly I am doing something wrong here as apparently I am the same component in each situation this occurs. I need to learn what I am doing wrong, so this does not continue,

I hope that when June comes--I can cooperate with admins better

Okay--I admit. We are into May. Which, you know what? It is fucking stressful. School tests--which tend to affect students, teachers... and people who hire students.

I am just going to assume that the admin that kicked me was stress prior to me entering the chat. The thing is--that is not something you take onto being justified admining.

Unfortunately--like most issues in IRC, the memories are short of the events... but the impressions last.

Apparently fenris impression of me is that I am an impeccable. I have talked to him on Freenode--fairly often before this. I can swear I have seen him in places other than #fedora. Though--there is a small chances that this may have been an off shoot of another incident on the same server.

If there is one thing I know how to do it is get under people's skin.

Now, lets give a background of my situation.

I bought this scanner a month ago. I have been having issues getting it working. As you can see in the log, I appear to be able to point to how to find out where to find the drivers--and what version it first appeared in.

Also, I have been in enough spots on FreeNode for long enough that, your best assumption is that my first attempt was to RTFM. Possibly look on Google.

Now, into the log:


--- Log opened Wed May 26 19:29:21 2010
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19:29 < KatrinaTheLamia> uh--quick question what package contains the kernel modules that allow sane to talk to my scanner?
19:29 -!- dhaval [~dhaval@nat-cataldo.sssup.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
19:30 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, kernel modules? you mean usb?
19:30 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: something like that.
19:30 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, or do you mean sane modules found in sane-backends?
19:30 < KatrinaTheLamia> I was looking through /lib
19:30 < KatrinaTheLamia> uh... my issues stems from modprobe having no clue what I am talking about.
19:30  * Anpan starts to despair
19:31 < KatrinaTheLamia> As the kernel modules I need are well--not there.

Okay--you know what? I can see fenris02's newbie alarms going off on this... if we were still back in the days of Linux 0.97 and 2.0 and 2.2.

As you know what? Back then, that was very common. Today, we are in the modern day of the 2.6 kernel. Typically with only a few throwbacks to the 2.4 kernel. Which has a few howtos suggest a single line of `modprobe scanner` typically.

Trust me--that does show up in the USB trouble shoot sections of a few SANE howtos.

Perhaps look at:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljm/SANE-faq.html

file://localhost/usr/share/doc/sane-backends-*/plustek/Plustek-USB.txt

http://www.sane-project.org/README.linux

http://www.zianet.com/k5di/usb/usb-scanner.txt

http://www.howtoforge.com/sane_xsane_scanner

http://www.graphics-muse.org/wp/?p=428

I mean, this was beyond the various man pages and docs on my system... which was my first look.

Typically following

$ man xsane

$ man scan-image

$ man sane-find-scanner

I even decided that perhaps maybe my debug level was not high enough so the following ENV variables were set:

SANE_DEBUG_EPSON2=4

ANE_DEBUG_SANEI_USB=4

So--my debug levels were ridiculously high enough that if SANE had a slight case of the sniffles, it would wake the dead. Causing the brain hungry undead to roam the earth gnawing on the flesh of humans.

I noticed a pattern in my errors:

[sanei_usb] sanei_usb_open: can't find device `/dev/usbscanner9' in list

[sanei_usb] sanei_usb_open: can't find device `/dev/usbscanner10' in list

[sanei_usb] sanei_usb_open: can't find device `/dev/usbscanner11' in list

Okay... let us go under my basic understanding of how linux works. Perhaps, maybe my understanding of Linux is at fault here.

Linux is typically a name for a group of software that work in tandem with together to produce useful results. Remove on element, and it destroys the balance.

Essentially you have the kernel--the center of any large computer program. Typically Operating Systems will have a kernel--but there are plenty of largely created programs that require a lot of work to them that will typically have one centre called the kernel. Various large GUI projects will have a kernel. Items that deal with issues with timing will often have a kernel.

The kernel is probably better spelled as "Colonel". (I may have to refer to a kernel as the naming of "RearAdmiral").

Most "applications" within the framework containing the kernel generally require the kernel to tell them where to go. They build onto the kernel, and may talk between a few of themselves for functionality.

Then there are other elements that are build on layers on that.

In this case.

You have the hardware.

You have the linux kernel

You have init.d (process 0).

You have various applications for super user land.

Then you have user land.

SANE typically is meant to exist in user land. Though, with a few elements in super user land.

Those /dev/ entries? Typically indicate something going on around the linux kernel level.

The /dev file system is something that is done on various UNIX and UNIX workalike systems. It does not exist. Typically, it indicates a list of devices that the kernel currently has an idea of how to talk to.

These files in this file system do not exist on your hard drive--except for their inode values. 

An Inode typically an entry, to my understanding that tells a long about what the "file" is or does and is located for accounting purposes--I admit shakiness on my understanding of this. I do know that if you end up running out of inodes before you run out of space, the device will act as though you have no space on it--though... this never happens in modern systems. Not certain if it is because we have several TiB hard drives on the market--or if advances in partition formats, such as ntfs, jfs, xfs, rieserfs and ext9001, have made it so that running out of inodes is insanely hard to do. It probably is both.

So, these files that it was trying to find in /dev, typically are representations of what the kernel is able to understand and do.

The thing is--these tutorials generally mention that udev should do it automatically (you at user land do not need to worry your pretty little head off... udev will protect you!). They rarely point to locations that may fix or correct udev entries should they fail.

A few of the ones I listed, will point to `modprobe` as a solution for both 2.4 and 2.6. Mind you, 2.4 does have a lot more to load--typically 2.6 only has scanner or usbscanner. This is mostly to let the system know that hey "this is how you talk to scanners"

And go through the tutorials--not all of them suggest this solution. Some say it should just work--though I admit that trying the modprobe may have been Cargo Cult Code--but the last time I have had a working scanner was on 2.4... and that means, I had to run those two or three modprobe commands before I could use sane.

I mean--okay... I could see it as a newbie type question if the documents supported looking through the kernel modules for the scanner.

Which I kind of state--there was nothing, indicating anything in there for any usb talking to a scanner. There was a few generic "talk to devices"--which generally were supported by other items such as CUPS.

I must admit that it is nice that these have generic talk to devices while there is a large amount of external network hardware stuff my modules list and a few external hard drive type stuff.

Internal, go crazy--if you got something varying from SATA, IDE, SCSI or Ribbon based connections.

However, that other external stuff? Mayhaps apply the same policy. Personally, I want to see some form of kernel module that just sends wireless hardware handling to an software point. This however, would allow for various Wifi type conventions to be completely broken at a coder's whim.

My understanding of it, was that even after the device was plugged in it did not see it here.

19:31 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, because you dont use modprobe for scanners typically ...

19:31 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: yes, I know

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19:31 < Anpan> if things stay like this, i have to go back to windows. And thats what i totally want to avoid.

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19:31 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: however pretty much ever SANE howto has a setp that uses modprobe in it.

19:32 < KatrinaTheLamia> for 2.4, 2.5 and 2.6 kernels at least.

I was about to point out that this was not a typical situation, as we have various /dev/ entries not showing up.

19:32 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, ok, you do whatever you feel is best. when you want it working let me know

Translation from Passive Aggressive to English. I do not know the answer--however I am going to make it well known that what you are doing is incorrect. I refuse to be helpful--and will mostly wait here while you struggle and just answer with I told you so.

Please, fenris02, we have seen each other in the channel a few times. Typically I have some idea on what I am doing--my issue is that it is not the Fedora way. Which does have some good traits. Heck some wonderful traits. However, you guys suck at getting it out there.

I mean, okay, you DO have a wiki for setting up various items. The issue is, that it obvious has a very bad search engine ranking, as well--I do not think I have ever seen it appear in Google. I mean, I am more likely to see forums dealing with porting my program to a legacy version of Amiga OS and their issues, before I see the fedora help site in google.

It does not show up as standard bookmark in the browsers I run (which I have never removed the fedora bookmarks). While I do not place many bookmarks--I have issues remembering the domain name.

It only pisses me off that it SHOULD be something easy to remember--however in my mind... it is just one step outside of helpful.

Now, the Fedora Forums do show up--I do not really bother with forums for help.

You get three typical answers:

Answer A:

Somebody whining about an issue--and people agreeing they cannot get it to work either. These get irritating to see when you have solved it--but for some reason are unable to post on your solution.

Answer B:

Somebody claims to have solved it. People confirm it. Wait a few months--and they disappear. New people come it, talking about how the solution gave does not work. Even faithfully repeating every reported conditions.

Answer C:

A problem is posted. Then they say they solved it--without really pointing out what happened. I mean, even an "I dunno--magic shoe pixies?" would be a good answer here. Answer C sucks for me--because all it leaves me wondering is, "okay--that is nice... why does it not work for me"

Further more, the Fedora help wiki is surprisingly under documented. There is a large amount of sections that are in a state of fill in later.

Which is nice--I understand people are busy, and there is a lot to talk about. This kind of negates it as "a place to go for help" though.

Okay... so...

We have fenrir02 here... obviously not wanting to help.

And guess what? That passive aggressive comment is what sparked the fire.

He showed no indication of helping--flat off from the start, he branded me as a newbie somehow following philosophies from Kernel version 2.1 era (which do not even appear in many tutorials either these days). 

I mean, was I really that stupid, the modern equivalent was "I clicked the GUI, it did not work."

I can live with fenrir02 going senile though.

19:32 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: I want it working now

19:32 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: okay... how do I do this?

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19:32 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, step 1) stop playing around with modprobe.

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19:32 < KatrinaTheLamia> As just about ever document I could find on google fail on the step that requires modprobe to be used.

19:32 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, what scanner do you have?

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19:32 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: one that is in the epson2 sane-backend

19:33 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, how many entries do you have in dll.conf ?

19:33 < KatrinaTheLamia> I have removed everything expect for epson2 and net

19:33 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, does "lsusb" show your scanner?

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19:34 < cpuobsessed> whoa! photorec is AWESOME!

19:34 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: the issue stems from  the fact that no where in /dev is /dev/usbscanner\d+ or /dev/usb/scanner\d+

19:34 < KatrinaTheLamia> I have put sane-find-scanner's debug level up to four on several spots... it has no idea how to talk to any form of scanner hardware

19:34 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, does "lsusb" show your scanner?

Okay, fenris02... I pointed out what I saw the issue here. Please stop going into "is it plugged in mode".

I mean--it is generally very irritated that I am frustrated that this scanner has not been working for about a month, and your general going into your old drills, when I have pointed out my situation was that I have ran various items here--and guess what? The error is that I do not have the devices to allow programs to interact with the scanner.

I have given you a general summary of the situation here. Yet you go into drill mode.

Thank you for regarding me as a person--and not just another fucker that comes in for support.

By the way, my view is that there are two kinds of humans: people and fuckers. It was obvious that I was in the fucker category here.

It may have been a long day--and fenris02 may have been under stress.. but well...

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19:35 < amabo> how might i go about installing gnome 3 with fedora 13?

19:35 < fenris02> amabo, su -c "yum install @gnome-desktop"

19:35 < amabo> fenris02: thanks!

19:35 < Anpan> So nobody can/wants to help me anymore?

19:36 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: there is an Epson entry

19:36 < fenris02> Anpan, your driver was not found in kmod-staging? you sure?

19:36 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: but it has only saw the printer part of it

19:36 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, ok, what is that line?

19:36 < Anpan> fenris02: well, the networkmanager doesn't show any signs of wlan being available

19:36 < KatrinaTheLamia> Bus 001 Device 014: ID 04b8:0854 Seiko Epson Corp. 

19:37 < fenris02> Anpan, did you install kmod-staging successfully?

19:37 < Anpan> fenris02: yum didn't return any errors, at least.

19:37 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, what is the full model name of teh device?

19:38 < KatrinaTheLamia> Epson Workforce 310

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19:39 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: my scanner appears to have been in the Epson2 backend since about version 1.0.12

19:39 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, are you sure?  it does not show up on the list ...

19:40 -!- cpg is now known as cpg|away

Right--you know the situation better than me... but uh... did you know about? They suck at updating this list.

19:40 -!- cpg is now known as cpg|away

19:40 < KatrinaTheLamia> I will grab you the vender id and stuff... look for it that way

19:40 < cpuobsessed> amabo: gnome 3 isn't out yet, you can install what they are calling a preview: gnome-shell

19:40 < KatrinaTheLamia> those lists are horribly unmaintained it seems

19:40 < amabo> cpuobsessed: do i have to recompile a kernal or anything like that?

19:40 < fenris02> you already provided the vendor id above.

Yeah--I know.. but... that output was only vaguely verbose. I mean, generally I am not for tool reports containing what appears to be two Ambigiously labelled number BUS and ID, followed by two seeming arbitrary numbers.

I mean, yes, it is obvious now--but it generally gets annoying when people put output on a console or into a long that is largely a lot of meaningless numbers and vague terms.

Yes, that is wonderful for internal stuffs. Go crazy with internals.

If the program is spitting out diagnostic info... well... lets compare with `ifconfig wlan0`

wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX  

          inet addr:10.0.5.26  Bcast:10.0.5.255  Mask:255.255.255.0

          inet6 addr: fe80::224:2cff:fe98:97ed/64 Scope:Link

          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1

          RX packets:44374643 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0

          TX packets:24944142 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0

          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 

          RX bytes:3470024625 (3.2 GiB)  TX bytes:3987538479 (3.7 GiB)

That is a lot better than the output of lsusb.

While, yes, that does require some network knowledge it is generally a lot easier to make heads or tails of than of what lsusb says.

Oh, right--this was where fenris02 decided I was insulting him--no, I am mostly just irritated, and venting a little.

I also want a problem solved... and my main instinct when a problem steps on me, so to bite it until it  is solved.

19:40 < KatrinaTheLamia> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x0854) at libusb:001:014

19:40 < KatrinaTheLamia> plug those two hex values into sanes search option.

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19:41 < KatrinaTheLamia> It has been included since the four patch level of 1.0.12

19:41 < KatrinaTheLamia> though... it seems to have listed it as since "1.0.124"... I am mostly going to blame an accident with the version system

19:42 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, sane-find-scanner reports what?

19:42 < cpuobsessed> amabo: for gnome-shell? no; it's a part of desktop-effects

19:42 < cpuobsessed> yum install gnome-shell

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19:42 < KatrinaTheLamia> right... I will paste a more full form

19:42 < KatrinaTheLamia> [sanei_usb] sanei_usb_open: can't find device `/dev/usbscanner14' in list

19:42 < KatrinaTheLamia> [sanei_usb] sanei_usb_open: can't find device `/dev/usbscanner15' in list

19:42 < KatrinaTheLamia> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x0854) at libusb:001:014 # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage.

19:43 < KatrinaTheLamia> those cannot find device exists for... well... over nine thansand lines above that.

19:43 < KatrinaTheLamia> if you want I can redirect STDERR and put that into pastebin

19:43 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, please use fpaste.org or dpaste.com for that.

19:43 < fenris02> much easier to follow that way.

Right-- fenris02... see... this was where I already doubted you ever cared to follow me. I just entered into you channel. Another fucker--but an angry noisy fucker.

Completely ignore the fact I pointed out everything above that is the same error message over and over again.

Completely ignore that the vendor id I gave earlier was from the command you asked for, and yet you asked for it again.

Completely ignore that there was only five lines of paste--five lines of paste that contains all you really need to know the issue here.

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19:44 < KatrinaTheLamia> in this case, it was only five lines... and most of the redundant crap was removed.

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19:44 < KatrinaTheLamia> the important part are all the lines, fenris02, I would think, that it cannot find a device to talk to the scanner

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19:45 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, and did you try 'scanimage -L' as suggested?

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19:45 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: no... no I doid... OF COURSE I DID...

19:45  * KatrinaTheLamia does that again

19:46 < spoleeba> fenris02, udev rules issue>

19:46 < spoleeba> fenris02, ?

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19:46 < fenris02> spoleeba, possibly.  i cant get the facts to find out

I gave you the facts you need, right at the beginning of this discussion.

This here is mostly for you to do an exercise in you ability to masturbate your passive aggressive prowelness.

You are not really showing any interest in the situation. The only reason you care is because I am coming here loudly. Chances are--the other result would be me pasting my question over and over again--with well... what happened last time.

I got told to head over to #sane... who kept directing me to #fedora.

When I get that from various phone lines, it usually means that I am phoning Canadian Government Workers--usually heavily incompetent ones.

My confidence in your solution is gone.

You got your data you need.

Please, just listen.

19:46 < fenris02> spoleeba, you are welcome to try instead

19:47 < spoleeba> fenris02, if i had any usb scanner to poke at...i would

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19:47 < kc8hfi> i copied my old .fdi file from f12 and trying to use it in f13 isn't working quite right.  did something change with the format or something?

19:48 < spoleeba> fenris02, i see the udev rule file..and the long list of scanners...and im just wondering...

Hey, fenris02... I cannot say this to your face--but the psycho yelling chick? I think she may have been correct here.

19:48 < fenris02> spoleeba, *nod*  it is certainly a good suspect.

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You ass kissed me well enough--good, you get to be correct.

19:49 < KatrinaTheLamia> Like I have been saying my issue from the start was.

19:50 < KatrinaTheLamia> Hence why maybe... just maybe, under the step in most howtos, for even the 2.6 kernel (which last I checked I WAS using... I can run uname -ar if you want), to run at least one line of modprobe.

Oh, hey, fenris02... I am just going to voice my opinion on how spoleeba just said I was right, on the information I gave at the start of this.

Rather than this run around you did here, when you regarded me as fucker and did the long ass "is it plugged in spiel"

19:50 < spoleeba> KatrinaTheLamia, pardon...but can you give me the vendor and device id again...i want to try to look iot up in the udev rules for sane scanners

19:50 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, i've told you before, and i will only repeat it this once more.  you are welcome to keep bashing away until you guess upon the solution, or ask and learn.  if you insist on being sarchatic and unfriendly, i'm free to go elsewhere.

Well, yes, you are--you however do not.

In this case, you just kick me, rather than part the channel.

Again more passive aggressive bullshit.

If you are going to kick somebody, flat out say, "I will kick you if you continue."... please do not do this "I am the good guy. I am helping"--when all you are doing is nothing.

19:50 < fenris02> spoleeba,   found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x0854) at libusb:001:014

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Okay--here he was actually helpful... it kind of required ass kissing though.

19:51 < spoleeba> fenris02, its in udev

19:51 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: right... perhaps you should ask... perhaps... perhaps maybe I did your way... about ooh--three weeks ago... in fact, I think this line of stuff did not work... I was then bounced over to sane

19:51 < spoleeba> fenris02, ATTRS{idVendor}=="04b8", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0854", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes"

19:51 < fenris02> spoleeba, yep.  here too.

19:51 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: I am just a little bit frustrated, as previous experience shows that following these steps does not work.

Translation: I am sorry. I should not have used this channel to vent. You are starting to help me--so I will start to calm down.

19:51 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, ok.  someone else can help you then.  good luck.

Translation from Passive Aggressive to English: see, you are wrong. Your scanner works completely fine. This problem requires no more attention from any of us. Never mind that the only person who actually have attention to the situation was spoleeba.

Translation con't: I mean--I also did a large amount of going through the motion, so I looked helpful. So it is all good.

Oh--hey fenris02... guess what would have ended this situation here?

Just simply asking, is it in your udev file, Katrina? Here is the location, paste it onto a pastebin.

I mean, it is not like Katrina was the first to suggest using some paste bin, but risked pasting something that was only five lines--followed by me saying the rest is redundant and that I can paste the full STDERR output onto a pastebin.

19:51 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: you ARE aware of the definition of insanity then

For those of you unaware:

The definition of insanity is trying the exact same stuff over and over again--and magically expecting some different result without any reason for it to be prompted.

I figured that was somewhat more tactful that what it translates out to:

Translation: FUCK YOU! I have done those steps several times. I'd sooner try to use the Goggles.

19:52 < pixinvent> I LOVE FEDORA

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19:52 < pixinvent> I'm just saying.

19:52 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: yeah... and somehow, I doubt that would be help ful either... wait... I KNOW! IS MY BLOODY COMPUTER TURNED ON >.>'

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19:52 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, correct your attitude or go elsewhere.  NOW.

You clearly are not kissing my ass enough.

19:52 < KatrinaTheLamia> pixinvent: actually I love it too... just... the error I am having is very unexpected.. and it is frustrating as it seems that there is no solution

19:52 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: okay-I will still myself.

BTW: am I the only one that thinks my next two lines are to the effect of attempting to disarm the situation.

However, the ire of fenris02 has been risen. The person asking for help, did not play his games, did not kiss his ass, and pointed out his exact behaviours.

The only thing that will come next is being dunked into a pool full of Hungry Sharks with Frikkin Laser Beams on Their Foreheads.

19:53 < Skaperen> last time I tried to use Fedora ... which was a while back (Fedora 9 I think) ... I could not figure this out ... but I'm going to try to set up a machine with Fedora 13 tomorrow ... what I want to do ahead of time is get a list of all packages I could choose to install (and browse through them and make choices ahead of time)

19:53 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: that was not attitude... it was mostly just veniting. Not aimed at anybody in particular.

19:53 < Anpan> pixinvent: i loved it too... until today

19:53 < fenris02> Skaperen, the install guide is an excellent place to start

19:53 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: mostly to just let off some steam.

BTW--I have a funny idea.. or theory on how to be much more happy.

I generally ignore people letting of steam in these.

If somebody is swearing and getting rather sarcastic, I merely take it as symptoms that maybe they are human, and frustrated. A gentle hand is a best touch--rather than telling them that if they do not start kissing my ass, and playing my games, their problem will never be solved.

I have seen people that frustrated in channels I have been able to help in.

Noting that I seem to be using some dialect of English here, likely EN-GB, maybe EN-CA--it is fairly obvious that I show some intelligence. I also flat out told him how I felt the situation was occurring here. To his face. I apologised once, and mentioned that I would try to calm down. However, it was typically answered with passive aggressive nonsense--and only going through the motions of help. With no real interest in doing so.

19:53 < Skaperen> fenris02: I believe that is what I did last time ... have they added a list of packages now?

19:53 < pixinvent> If you have a hard time setting up fedora just do the live CD. It's easy Ubuntu style.

19:53 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, keep it up and i will also let off some steam ... in your direction.  Now, behave.

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19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: why do you think I am flaming people?

19:54 < fenris02> Skaperen, what is it you're looking for specifically?

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: because I am not

Spoiler: If you are not fluent with Passive Aggressiveness, he was generally flaming me a lot more.

I was merely reacting in an honest way. Generally considering his way, less than honest, and generally very irritating, frustrating and not worth my time to deal with.

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19:54 < Anpan> pixinvent: i doubt that would fix my problem with missing wlan and the keyboard that doesn't work

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: have I insulted anybody since I got in here?

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19:54 < pixinvent> The Fedora 13 DVD lets you specify the packages. It's awesome. I love the minimal install.

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: if anything, you have been more insulting to me.

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: now lets move on.

Why do I feel like I am repeating myself here?

Ohh... lets see..

19:32 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: okay... how do I do this?

[...]

19:43 < KatrinaTheLamia> those cannot find device exists for... well... over nine thansand lines above that.

19:43 < KatrinaTheLamia> if you want I can redirect STDERR and put that into pastebin

[...]

19:45 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: no... no I doid... OF COURSE I DID...

19:45  * KatrinaTheLamia does that again

[...]

19:51 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: right... perhaps you should ask... perhaps... perhaps maybe I did your way... about ooh--three weeks ago... in fact, I think this line of stuff did not work... I was then bounced over to sane

[...]

19:51 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: I am just a little bit frustrated, as previous experience shows that following these steps does not work.

[...]

19:52 < KatrinaTheLamia> pixinvent: actually I love it too... just... the error I am having is very unexpected.. and it is frustrating as it seems that there is no solution

19:52 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: okay-I will still myself.

[...]

19:53 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: that was not attitude... it was mostly just veniting. Not aimed at anybody in particular.

Translation: I am sorry that you took offense. This was not aimed at you. Please stop acting like I am punching your mom in the stomach repetitive while I force her to watch me shove a pineapple up your Dad's rear end.

[...]

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: why do you think I am flaming people?

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: because I am not

Translation: you seem awfully pissing about what I am saying here. Nobody else has complained. Heck, if you had just shut up, and quit acting like you had something that only resembles a slightly larger than average lack of desire to help, some of the others would have jumped in.

No, I insulted Fedora... as... it did not work perfectly out the box... you'd think I defecated on your grandma's grave and used the flowers as tissue.

It is an OS--it is normal for something to not work. I am a human (I think), it is normal for me to be frustrated at a situation. It is also normal for when I gave a full summary on the situation, even gave you all the useless data you needed to stroke that ego of yours that you may have been helping--you still maintain I do the steps I did again, that did not work.

Also, if you had perhaps asked for a past of my udev file, as, you know what? It may have been incomplete. There are countless things that could get in the way here. I appologise to the audience (yes all i3 of you) for speaking the tongue fenris02 was using here. The translation is: probably one or two typical things that can be shrugged off, and worked to fix the situation more fully.

[...]

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: have I insulted anybody since I got in here?

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: if anything, you have been more insulting to me.

19:54 < KatrinaTheLamia> fenris02: now lets move on.

Right... Citation needed obviously:

19:32 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, ok, you do whatever you feel is best. when you want it working let me know

[...]

19:40 < KatrinaTheLamia> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x0854) at libusb:001:014

19:42 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, sane-find-scanner reports what?

19:42 < KatrinaTheLamia> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x0854) at libusb:001:014 # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage.

[...]

19:43 < KatrinaTheLamia> those cannot find device exists for... well... over nine thansand lines above that.

19:43 < KatrinaTheLamia> if you want I can redirect STDERR and put that into pastebin

19:43 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, please use fpaste.org or dpaste.com for that.

19:43 < fenris02> much easier to follow that way.

19:44 < KatrinaTheLamia> in this case, it was only five lines... and most of the redundant crap was removed.

Translation:

Katrina: I pretty much took two lines of the exact same errors over and over again, and put them after the final output line.

Fenris02: Please, this is my world. We need to follow my rules, whether or not they apply here.

Fenris02: With your large paste, I have issues following its intrinsic structure

Katrina: You... cannot follow five lines?

[...]

19:46 < spoleeba> fenris02, udev rules issue>

19:46 < spoleeba> fenris02, ?

19:46 < fenris02> spoleeba, possibly.  i cant get the facts to find out

Katrina Aside: You are a pretty sharp fellow aren't you. I mean, not somebody that any details get past. No wonder all of my fedora issues have not been due to small quirks or glitches that paying a little attention would fix

[...]

19:50 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, i've told you before, and i will only repeat it this once more.  you are welcome to keep bashing away until you guess upon the solution, or ask and learn.  if you insist on being sarchatic and unfriendly, i'm free to go elsewhere.

[...]

19:51 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, ok.  someone else can help you then.  good luck.

[...]

19:52 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, correct your attitude or go elsewhere.  NOW.

[...]

19:53 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, keep it up and i will also let off some steam ... in your direction.  Now, behave.

-=-

Okay, yes, I did fire stuff off at him. And you know what the correct thing would be here? To have helped the others-- and let that spleeba fellow help.

19:54 < fenris02> KatrinaTheLamia, you are also disrupting everyone else that wants assistance.

Oh, hey, citation needed here:

19:35 < amabo> how might i go about installing gnome 3 with fedora 13?

19:35 < fenris02> amabo, su -c "yum install @gnome-desktop"

9:40 < cpuobsessed> amabo: gnome 3 isn't out yet, you can install what they are calling a preview: gnome-shell

19:40 < amabo> cpuobsessed: do i have to recompile a kernal or anything like that?

19:42 < cpuobsessed> amabo: for gnome-shell? no; it's a part of desktop-effects

19:42 < cpuobsessed> yum install gnome-shell

Summary: somebody wanting to preview software already out.

Status: Solved

[...]

19:30  * Anpan starts to despair

19:31 < Anpan> if things stay like this, i have to go back to windows. And thats what i totally want to avoid.

19:35 < Anpan> So nobody can/wants to help me anymore?

19:36 < fenris02> Anpan, your driver was not found in kmod-staging? you sure?

19:36 < Anpan> fenris02: well, the networkmanager doesn't show any signs of wlan being available

19:37 < fenris02> Anpan, did you install kmod-staging successfully?

19:37 < Anpan> fenris02: yum didn't return any errors, at least.

Summary: Somebody whining. It is attempting to look like asking for help.

Status: undetermined. I got kicked before we could see if she got it online. Her reply may have been delayed due to network shifts.

Help Process: Same status quo, reading from the long list of check list that from the looks of it, Anpan already tried--and did not work.

Chances help would work: little to none.

Likely unless she has a physical agent next to her to allow somebody near by to help her out, she is going back to windows in about six months.

From the looks of it, she will be another user saying Linux is too complicated.

The online help is fine here--but this is the sort of thing somebody physical nearby (that is, somebody real) would be best.

[...]

19:47 < kc8hfi> i copied my old .fdi file from f12 and trying to use it in f13 isn't working quite right.  did something change with the format or something?

Summary: vague summary of a floppy disk image from Fedora 12... tried to use it in Fedora 13.

Status: ignored

Chances to get helped:

Used the .fdi file extension to shorten the fact that I am guessing he used a F12 bootdisk for launching the installer CD. And tried it again for Fedora 13.

This is probably going to through them all through a loop. Chances are they will ask why not boot off of the CD ROM instead of the floppy. Chances are two replies will be made

1) Hardware issues

Likely response) time for an upgrade

2) desire for a network install

Likely response) ignoring them for a more "real" issue.

Proper solution:

• Confirm he is talking talking about a Floppy Image. There may have been an error with guest OSes and is guest OS of Amiga may have been screwed in the upgrade. He may also be using a library to run Amiga programs natively. An upgrade of this level, likely would upgrade this software enough that it may cause issues.
• Reply that the new floppy probably knows to target the newer sections of the CD orDVD media--as well a a better idea of how to grab Fedora 13 as a network install.

[...]

19:53 < Skaperen> last time I tried to use Fedora ... which was a while back (Fedora 9 I think) ... I could not figure this out ... but I'm going to try to set up a machine with Fedora 13 tomorrow ... what I want to do ahead of time is get a list of all packages I could choose to install (and browse through them and make choices ahead of time)

19:53 < fenris02> Skaperen, the install guide is an excellent place to start

19:53 < Skaperen> fenris02: I believe that is what I did last time ... have they added a list of packages now?

19:54 < fenris02> Skaperen, what is it you're looking for specifically?

19:54 < pixinvent> The Fedora 13 DVD lets you specify the packages. It's awesome. I love the minimal install.

Summary: Skaperen trying to install Fedora, like it is Debian or a BSD.

Status: Solved

-=-

19:52 < pixinvent> I LOVE FEDORA

19:52 < pixinvent> I'm just saying.

19:53 < pixinvent> If you have a hard time setting up fedora just do the live CD. It's easy Ubuntu style.

19:54 < Anpan> pixinvent: i doubt that would fix my problem with missing wlan and the keyboard that doesn't work

Summary: Attention Whoring.

Status: Ignored. pixinvent is not ass kissing quite right

Chances to be helped:

Why? I kind of agree with him.

-=-

And thus at the end:

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19:54 < Skaperen> fenris02: a list of packages

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19:54 -!- KatrinaTheLamia was kicked from #fedora by fedbot [time out]

--- Log closed Wed May 26 19:54:53 2010

So the horrible issue of I got banned from a channel of unhelpful people on the internet.

My response: I bitch about it on a blog that nobody reads or cares about. I mean, most blogs at least have +5 people... I have i5... that is instead of positive five people, or negative five people, I have an imaginary number of viewers.

I think my response is justified.